i can never quite draw the pent gram-- pentagram right. so instead please welcome the next best thing to karl rove, a pair of glasses on a ham loaf. (cheers and applause) the best part of having ham rove on, my pac can write it off as both a political consultant and catering. ham rove, thank you for joining us. karl, now that i've got a pac, what should i do? (laughter) >> stephen: you know what? he's shy. i'll tell you what. we'll discuss this later. over dinner. luckily i have another guest even better than karl rove. please welcome abc news political analyst and chief strategist for george w. bush's 2004 re-election campaign, matthew dowd. matthew, thank you so much. all right. matthew (cheers and applause) matthew, these kids want to know what i stand for, okay. what do pacs usually stand for like americans for prosperity, what do they stand for? >> well, it could be taxes, there's lower taxes. it could be change the laws on health-care reform. it's any number of issues but you have to stick it out. you can't just stick your finger in