this is a day of pentecost. for some it means birthing of the church as well as the broadening of the church. the birthing will we might sing happy birthday but may also be singing in christ there is no east or west for we broaden our mission and ministry on this day of pentecost. last time you saw me was on easter. i had two dynamic guests at that time who told us a lot about easter. i was so inspired i asked them to come back. we are blessed to have carroll and jim. welcome back. you were so dynamic, both of you, that we were on youtube for the first time. >> wow! >> youtube celebrated its 10th year anniversary last month and they celebrated by having us on there. >> i didn't get any word that we went viral. >> i know a lot of people knew a lot about easter at that time because of you folks here. hopefully they'll feel the same after hearing about pentecost. before we do that carroll, tell us about your background and ministry. >> okay. i am a native san francisco, very proud to have been born and raised here

this would allow those seven siberian pentecostals to leave the u.s.embassy and seek freedom in the united dates. -- united states. promoting freedom and democracy was another thing altogether. that was precisely what president reagan called for in the westminster address, which we reviewed earlier. we must be staunch in our conviction that freedom is not be sold prerogative of a lucky few, but the universal right of all human beings. to foster the infrastructure of democracy, universities, which allows people to choose their own ways, to reconcile their own differences through peaceful means. so, in the context of the cold war -- [indiscernible] put increasing internal pressure on the kremlin. but it was not just confined to the communist fear. there were some more right wing authoritarian nations that were not allowing their people much freedom. and in reagan from mind, he also wanted to encourage them to democratize, to open up, to allow freedom. this showed the value of freedom in america to give moral legitimacy, and also ensure longer-term stabil

they are decline as a denomination, but a movement that came out of methodists, pentecostalism, is very much on the rise. as one group fails to keep up, other groups moving from the margins and take their place. david: also the new movements have generated inside. they are not necessarily coming from outside. they are being generated from within, as you said, with the methodist's. amanda: i agree. this time is when the culture we now live in was formed, and we live in the successor to the second great awakening, and i think in addition to the things you all have said, this is one religious -- when religion becomes politicized in a mass politics kind of way. they had strategic political gain, and consequently the boundary between religion and politics is in some ways more porous. even in the past there used to be a union of church and state. now evangelicals are using christianity almost as a bludgeon. people who are different than them, whether they are catholics are infidels. it is politicized in the terms of mass politics in the united states, very differently than in europe. so, i th

religiously unaffiliated are growing in numbers but we're also seeing an up take in the numbers of pentecostal and charismatic black and brown christians coming to seminary. so at the two ends of the spectrum, we see growth where in the middle we're seeing a flattening and at times a decline. so what does it mean that at both of these, that would appear to be different ends of the religious spectrum with relation to the way they express their faith are both sort of taking ahold of this younger generation. >> brown: alan cooperman, i want to ask you about a separate pew study i saw slightly earlier, but it suggests that this u.s. path differs from the rest of the world. other surveys suggested the world is becoming more religiously affiliated. >> yeah the united states is on a path that in some ways looks similar to what's happened in western europe, what's happened in other parts of the developing world, where secularization has been taking place, where the unaffiliated are growing, but you're absolutely right, the fastest growing parts of the world, in terms of population, are places like sub