win the liberty justice center took this on, on what legal grounds were you going to argue his case? >> forcing people to pay union pay forforcing them to 'soliticaloup advocacy in the context of government employment. when a government union bargains , it tells the government things like how much it should pay workers, how it should run its programs, and those are political topics. we would recognize that as political and would call it lobbying. none of us can be forced to just pay a third party to lobby the government on public policy issues, and it is not right people who want a government job should be forced to do that. host: the union argues on behalf of all of the government workers. getting pay increases, let's say. other benefits mr. janus would get as well. why should he have to pay the fee? thet: not all workers want representation and consider it a benefit. some would rather represent themselves but can't. they are being injured having the union be the representative, and forced to pay for it. host: donnie callan wrote a piece, here is how he benefits from a strong union. his job would probably have been outsourced by now. he s