s. don't forget, if you want to apply to the people's panel, it should gbnews.uk forward slash now.one comes up next. jake berry, i think the former chairman of the tory party hopefully is joining me from constituency . jake, can from his constituency. jake, can you hear me? and darren and watson down there ? i can hear watson down there? i can hear you loud and. clear. camilla good man. lovely to see you this morning. now, let's talk about this privileges committee, this interim report said it should have been obvious , boris have been obvious, boris johnson, that he was breaking the rules. he's a very educated and, clever man. it should have been obvious him, shouldn't it, jake ? well camilla, you're jake? well camilla, you're right. he absolutely is an educated and clever man . look, i educated and clever man. look, i think lots of watching this show would understand and that the rules were, in some cases so complicated , particularly here complicated, particularly here in lancashire, where the old town of bolton had 18 different sets of rules over a two month period, that it was