that peoplevidence became radicalized in prison? >> i think the answer is yes. is there areing several hundred people in prison who were not arrested or convicted of terrorist offenses. nonetheless they have been radicalized with extremists islamist narrator's. it is a problem. it is not being invented. you'd be wrong to say all over they are doing a terminal job -- terrible job. we need to work out which programs are working best. it is a problem. it is not surprising. effect in somean colleges and countries. this is what we are up against. it is regret full -- regretful. are we able to recruit those who can challenge the narrative? it -- it the national needs a real challenge. >> yes, we are. there is a course which is educating resource who are new or inexperienced in the muslim faith. tackling the rhetoric. got the ministers with different results abilities. prisons, colleges. each one has -- it may not be there highest hired appeared in is making sure prisons -- they know they have got to report back to me on the action they take on this agenda. the sunday