perfect caps and gpas that's mott the point, we're looking for people who can actually interact with peoplie do testing in our process to make sure they can interact with people. we're looking for more than just hiring cats, and tieing shoes is a big part. not the only part, because there's velcro and all this. a lot of ways to get around not tieing your shoes. we're looking for people who have empathy, who want to go out and serve mankind. the interview process is called the ho lisk process. we try to intersect that. >> growing up doctors -- it's not hard to attract people but they're attracting because they want to serve people it's not because the income is that great relatively speaking, is that right? >> i think for people who worry about the general x or -- and worry about the income and all that. come to my class and interview those folks they are the most amazing dedicated people you'd want to meet. they're here for reasons you'd want someone to go into medicine and serve mankind. salaries is relatively flat it's not the driving force. >> what if you have a dig donor at the hob kins