the pepfar initiative is active in more than 50 countries around the world, many of them in africa.een saved because of the program that works to prevent new may have may have infections and care for those who have lost their lives. congress has to determine whether or not they are going to enforce this and there was a question as to whether perhaps the money would be spent in our own country. here's what he had to say in a conversation with secretary of state condoleezza rice. >> there's a lot of people in our country who think we should mind our own business. >> that's right. >> we want to make an appeal. >> i think we're a big enough nation to do more than one thing and to continue to fight against aids on the continent of cav and to support the ukranian freedom fighters is not going to strain our capacity to help our own citizens. >> and ukraine was a big topic with today being the anniversary of russia's invasion. the foreign minister was there and spoke about the relation ship with pepfar for all a look at all the ukranians it's assisted. >> this also helped lay the groundwork

and that work is predominantly driven by pepfar.fing is one quarter of the budget and roughly 2000 employees when you count all categories. in many many emissions and it has become a very important element and the promotion of us foreign policy it has been a training ground for a generation of diplomatic leaders and some of the sterling of those and others and now and i knew emphasis on a regional presence and it is playing the intra- goal role in the ukraine response but it has been treated at a macro level as an afterthought or the add-on it has not been seen that the systems have been missing which we enumerate in terms of recruitment and staffing careertm development, integration domestic and integrated funding and the like and yes the pepfar program is foundational but those are are those that need to be provided in many countries were hiv is not a top priority and that capacity needs to be enlarged in the next period and as part of the challenge that to bring across the value and the achievement and performance to congress and

it's rare you can pass a bill in congress knowing you were going to save the life and pepfar with 50 million wide. all the things we do help with malnutrition really is and what i taught as a catholic and the message of. it's like the missionary life and i think governance and behavior are in the program. >> you know i agree. i can't believe i'm agreeing with my chairman. i think tony hugh mentioned it's not just religious freedom issues but there are other issues as other issues as well in the challenge we have is to make sure when we address all of the issues. and i'm thinking of nicaragua right now. the priests that are being targeted by the ortega regime. they are targeted not just because they are priests that the people being targeted are the people standing up and protesting their faith and their legions to justice and fairness in human rights. so it's not just religion. it's also what they are standing for or in india the case of -- he died in custody. that's been labeled an example of persecution. i think that's true. he was arrested under antiterrorism laws being used to qu

where going to reauthorize pepfar on my committee that saved 250 million people in africa from aids. and so i think that when we do these things, first of all, we have to let them know this is coming from the united states of america. so we have the prestige of them knowing where it's coming from and the influence. i think we can also influence behavior. we are going to -- we don't want to reward that behavior. i think we get some leverage and pressure when it comes to some of these programs we administer, particularly and like you said nigeria and africa, to change that behavior. but it's not easy and you have to balance that. this is something jim and i work on. it's rare that you can pass the bill in congress knowing you're going tore save lives, and pepfr be a good example, 250 million lives. all the all the things we do is global health, global malnutrition.s really what i was taught as a catholic, the life of christ, the message of christ, is that like the missionary life. and i think we can influence the governance and behavior in those countries tond those programs. >> and i

and that's why the lead singer from you to, bono, was there, to celebrate the success of pepfar, which is -- lasting legacy. he, throughout, is willing to not only talk about the ideal of bipartisanship, but praise every bipartisan aspect of everything that he has been able to do as president. and while giving the republicans that much love, he also absolutely pins them down like a butterfly butterfly under glass on the substantive thing he needs them to, so they won't crash the economy, by holding that particular -- >> yeah, and there is a standard play for. this when the president is up, they're saying the single thing that embarrasses your party the most, which is usually something that has been said by one or two or five members of your party, he just sit there silently, it's going to go by really fast. >> yes. >> you just sit there silently. this party, with marjorie taylor greene leaving them, we want to really emphasize what you just said about one of our ideas and they are going to emphasize it by denying it. every media outlet except the propagandist will, tomorrow the saying,

of president bush and countless advocates and champions, he undertook a bipartisan effort through pepfar to transform the global fight against hiv/aids. it's been a huge success. we thought big, he thought hard, he moved. i believe we can do the same with cancer. let's end cancer as we know it and cure some cancers once and for all. folks, there's one reason why we have been able to do all of these things, our democracy itself. it's the most fundamental thing of all. with democracy, everything is possible. without it, nothing is. for the last few years our democracy has been threatened, and attacked, put at risk. put this test in this very room, on january 6. and just a few months ago, an unhinged big lie, an assailant unleashed political violence in the home of the then-speaker of this house of representatives. using the very same language that insurrectionists who stalked these halls chanted on january 6. here tonight in this chamber is the man who bears the scars of that brutal attack, but is as tough and strong and as resilient as they get. my friend, paul pelosi. paul, stand up. [ap

but if you've ever gone to africa and got ton see what pepfar does, it was astounding, it was astoundinge power of a united states president, what it can do. >> that's a great point. >> by the way, you can watch the rest of arlette's wide-ranging interview with cnn jill biden, "jill biden abroad" airs thursday night at 9:00 p.m. on cnn. >> and for more on what jill biden told arlette, let's bring in dana bash. anyone who has ever covered biden knows that probably the biggest influence on his decisions is the first lady. so what she says there carries a lot of weight about what we could see happen with his 2024 run. >> so he's definitely running. >> definitely unless he's not. first of all, good morning, guys. nice to see you. not only does she carry like the ultimate weight, but the other thing that you all know from covering joe biden for a long time is that he's not generally in a rush to make decisions, especially big, consequential decisions, which is part of the reason why it's taking as long in the view of some democrats as it is. i'll tell you what i'm hearing from sources in bide

of president bush and countless advocates and champions, he undertook a bipartisan effort through pepfar to transform the global fight against hiv/aids. it's been a huge success. we thought big, he thought hard, he moved. i believe we can do the same with cancer. let's end cancer as we know it and cure some cancers once and for all. folks, there's one reason why we have been able to do all of these things, our democracy itself. it's the most fundamental thing of all. with democracy, everything is possible. without it, nothing is. for the last few years our democracy has been threatened, and attacked, put at risk. put this test in this very room, on january 6. and just a few months ago, an unhinged big lie, an assailant unleashed political violence in the home of the then-speaker of this house of representatives. using the very same language that insurrectionists who stalked these halls chanted on january 6. here tonight in this chamber is the man who bears the scars of that brutal attack, but is as tough and strong and as resilient as they get. my friend, paul pelosi. paul, stand up. [ap

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