can expand on that, you have heard this allegation that the sheriff persuaded either his wife or peralta hanes to persuade witnesses from talking to the police. there is not going to be any evidence before you now or in the future that he ever did so. whenever these communications were between miss lopez and ms. williams, unless that can be linked to something sheriff mirkarimi did that was inappropriate, they are irrelevant. >> you agree there may not be direct evidence but we consider circumstantial evidence. >> i believe you can consider circumstantial evidence. but before you could to draw, there would have to be some kind of a link before you could draw the conclusions that he engaged in any of these allegations. i do not believe there is going to be any evidence upon which you could draw such a link. >> i'm not sure where to begin. let me clarify what the serious. it is not just that the sheriff tried to get miss madison to not go to the police and was not successful. he dissuaded miss lopez and was successful. that is a claim in this klees and the other claim is that -- case and there w