it is for our permittees. it is for anybody interested in coming to meet the commission. it is something that we will want some time to do some invitations and make sure we agenda is it. -- agendize it. we usually do not have permits, but we do have a little bit of business. it is open to the public, just like a meeting would be. but it is not here in city hall. we will post it as such. >> i would like to suggest september 11. i take that back. oh, my god, no. i do not want to do september 11. that is our meeting date. all the way to september 25. >> are you looking at the first and third? our meeting dates have changed. >> the 18th, september 18. >> that is my 45th birthday. >> what is wrong with that? >> i like you very much, and that is also the night that the harvey milk club does its endorsements. that is not good for me in two ways. >> i will suggest that we may be use some e-mail and do some circulating. staff will do that. do not do it amongst yourselves. we will find a date. president newlin: we do not have to hold it on a beggarly scheduled a meeting date. -- on