it was ross perot, right? giant sucking sound. ross perot got a very large proportion of the vote for a third-party candidate. nearly 20%. and who knows how the votes would have been divided between bill clinton and george h.w. bush had ross perot not been in there that year. but one thing that's often forgotten about the 1992 race was that ross perot was not the only third-party candidate who ran that year. there was a whole slate of other third-party candidates nominated that year who did not make as big a splash as mr. sucking sound did. they did as well as third-party candidates usually do, which is not that well at all. but one of that long list of candidates who ran on something called the populist party ticket, one of those candidates ended up in the course of that campaign that year, he ended up having a starring role in a really serious news event that transfixed the country and had nothing at all to do with presidential politics. his name was bo gritz. he was a vietnam veteran. he got 0.1% of the popular vote ultimately.

. >> remember ross perot running for office? cover of "times." bill clinton.od time for everybody, too. and also some numbers are telling. >> this will put everything in perspective. this is what we were paying for gas $1.05. milk was $2.78. $1.92 for bacon. the average price of a car was $17,000 compared to now is $30,000. we're paying $3.50 for gas and $4.61 for bacon. >> look at the difference in price is really incredible. makes you jealous for the old days. things were that cheap. more random 1992 prices, the cost of a new house, about $123,000. the average income per year, $30,000 a year. monthly rent, $519. can you relate to that new york? >> $519 for rent? >> different era, folks. cost of a first class stamp, 29 cents. what is it now, 43, 44 cents? >> 44. >> 46. >> 46 now? wow, man. and the cost of a dozen eggs, 93 cents. times have changed, folks. '92. i just started high school in '92 and you were a junior in high school. >> i was a junior, going into my senior year. >> yes, indeed. >>> coming up next, it is cocktail time. >> yes. the bar officially

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some of the book's bob minzesheimer "usa today" is looking forward to it is the king years, ross perot my life, al gore, the future. and should also point out a couple of the books that are coming out, general stanley mcchrystal has a book coming out, my share of the path. and dick cheney on coronary disease. his book is also coming out in 2013. sarah weinman of publishers marketplace and bob minzesheimer of "usa today," we appreciate your time today on booktv. >> sarah kilborne recounts the crew of her great-great-grandfather, william skinner, a textile manufacture in the mid-19th century. the author recalls skinner's immigration from london and his career ascendancy from a worker and a silk mill to the owner of his own factory, the mill village, skinnerville. in 1870 for a dam burst near skinnerville and destroyed the town and forced william skinner to rebuild. this is about an hour. >> thank you, bill. and thank you for your support of "american phoenix." and thank you all for coming out tonight. and thank you and thank you, c-span, and booktv for being here. it's a real honor. and

my people like ross perot. john mccain they tend to lose. [laughter] i was very pleased to see bob dole in the senate floor last week. he was one of my favorites, not simply because he's from my part of the world, but dole rhymes with a lot of things. old king kole. sauteed ease care row. the president's -- the people who actually win the presidency tend 0 to have bad names for rhyming. bush sounds easy because it's nice one syllable name rhymes with tush, but that's disrespectful and i never did that. [laughter] when george h. w. bush left office, i wanted to write him a poem. fortunately i had he had a lot of middle names, so the poem was ado to you, george, herbert walker issue in never treasured as talker your predicates were prone to wander boundless off alone. you can your best in your own way, the way your country day, just relax, and take your ease, and never order japanese. [laughter] clinton is a bad name. i've often said that clinton is the orange of american presidents. and bill clinton's second term, during the unpleasantness --

my people are people like ross perot, john mccain. they tend to lose. last back i was very pleased to see bob dole back on the senate floor last week. he was one of my favorites. not simply because he's from my part of the world, but dole arrives at the lot of things. old king cole, sautÉed desk girl the people who actually won the presidency tend to have that names for rhyming. bush sounds easy because it makes one syllable name, rhymes with such, but that's just respect for what i never did that. when george h.w. bush left office, i wanted to write him a poem unfortunately hunted lot of no names. so the poem was a do to you george herbert walker, though never treasured as a talker, your predicates are often prone to wander now must off a loan. [laughter] you did your best and your own way, the way of greenwich country day. to just relax and take your ease and never order chat me. [laughter] clinton is a very bad name. i have often said that clinton is the orange of american presidents. in bill clinton's second term, during the unpleasantness, remember

yes, even before that guy, ross perot.he joins me now for his first interview is a former congressman. welcome comments very good to have you. >> must be with you again. at the risk of sounding disingenuous, i think you are among the smartest and sharpest public officials that i have had the honor of speaking to. i know that that might not sound like a compliment, but it is. i wonder with a voice like yours, who watches all the money going out of washington? umax i think there will be many. and if it did any good at all, there should be quite a few. >> i have a hard time seeing them for the budget deal. >> we used to say that we have 100 spontaneous phone calls and there were about 2000 people who were really thinking about it. so there are a couple that are frustrated with the system. i tried to be the optimist. but sometimes that optimism in washington, as you have pointed out, is there is some encouragement from college campuses and therefore i'm not a pessimist because i think they are willing to listen. they are ideal

are underway this morning at least two americans were among those killed in a helicopter crash and peroty the number of americans on board may be as high as 5. seven people total were killed. a chopper crashed and exploded just minutes after take off. an escalator at a new jersey commuter train stations abruptly reversed direction and.-sending people into a panic. take a look, it was all caught on video. commuters are riding the escalator up at a jersey city have the station when suddenly there were going down. the malfunctions that a stampede of people down the moving staircase. noll was seriously injured. >> a wedding parties and hot air balloon trip and did and as a with an unexpected hard landing and as a key southern california man's back yard. the owners as it was inside the house watching tv when all was that got very dark quickly. we looked out the window or something covering half of this house. i had a lone basket carry 30 people crashed in a chain-link fence bordering his house and his neighbor's. of the bride and groom had just got married in a balloon were among the people i

those are examples with perot soviet operatives tilted policy within the communist interest.confirmed over everything i have seen since that contributed to a morose temper and pessimistic with good reason. he is cassandra and not from the 40's but 1939 nothing was done. that was ignored at the timeu nobody wanted to hear such things but he then ran into greater efforts for when the case surfaced this made himñ extremely pessimistic with the sense of doom in the final chapters that was personal as a suicide attempt and fortunately did not succeed. he thought it was the freeññ world because the government knew very well what was going on. he was right but he himself was in considerable peril right before the house committee that the said-- said in private but the fbi knew 1945 not only that but going before the house committee august 16, 1948 with the various white house aides' plans were made to indict chambers. but not hiss that persisted through the wall of the end of 1948. writing a cold war history in 10 minutes is difficult.Ñ hiss was far more important than he wou

those are examples and there ar others but those of the one that do know of in which perot soviet operativesour government tilted policy in favor of communist interests. power points chambers makes over and over again in "witness" confirmed by everything i have  seen since which contributed to a very morrow's temperament and with good reason -- as john Ñ lewis gaddis pointed out these  revelations came not in the 40s 1939. the assistant secretary of çÑ state, nothing was done. in 1939, that was ignored at th time in the soviet atmosphere, no one wanted to hear such things. there was misrepresentation when the case surfaced almost a decade later. this made him extremely pessimistic and there's a kind  of pervasive sense of doom in ñ the final chapters of "witness" which was personal. a suicide attempt had been mentioned. fortunately did not succeed but also societal. the free world was doomed. the wheat -- one of the reasons he thought that was he believed people in the government, that people would do nothing about it. he was right in this respect, it is hard to gauge, but he hi

ross perot was worth four times the amount of money that mitt romney is, and he got a lot of people to believe he was a populist. he was for the middle class. we have to have equal who have an everyman and everyone's story to which people can't relate. it is incredibly important. >> one thing -- we cannot over emphasize the top down mentality that you talked about. the most successful part of the conservative movement in the last two years has and what? tea party. did that start in washington? no. it was because of washington. but the fact is, that came from a conservative grassroots. a lot of people talk about the sophistication of the left for voter turnout. they were more sophisticated even at the digital level. but to your point, they touched people personally. we counted how many robo calls went in. they can't determine new doors they actually knocked on. they did a mix of new and old style. part of it was their campaign on the ground never went home. in ohio, they have been there for four years. many of our state and local places -- we have to revisit that. a lot of directives co

should have been a split, what should have been a splinter party, which would have died like the ross perotent, like pat buchanan's primary supporters, they decided to say they were all one, and that's their problem. they should have allowed this to drift away, and it would have done, as the economy has picked up, and these movements are tip cal at times of economic hardship. remember that the tea party protests were not just talking about the president. they were talking about bail-outs. they didn't like tarp. which republicans voted for. there was a lot of economic griefance there, and that typically fuels these things. it would have gone away, but made a real strategic blunder. >> the question is -- i'm curious to know your thoughts on this. can they even excize that diseased limb? >> daily beast writes the rhino hunting in the national party has been disastrous in the northeast. the near total absence of elected republican federal representatives in new england is pretty -- is a pretty unmistakable sign of a brob. democrats now hold a massive majority of nonsouthern states. the gop has

some of the books bob is looking forward to is the king years, ross perot, my life, al gore, the future, and a couple other books, mcchrystal, my share of the task, and dick cheney on coronary disease. sarah and bob, we appreciate your time today on book tv. >> you don't always find many newspaper editors embracing investigative reporting. the point we have seen is it's actually economics. it's the discomfort that investigative reporting causes in a newsroom, because it's troublesome. it's that more than the economics. if you're going to ruffle the feathers of something powerful, that gets them complaining to the publisher and stories are legion about those things happening. we were fortunate through the '70s and almost all our career to work for people who were really strong and upright in that area and let the chips fall where they made.

they were trying to convince perot. it brought up a delegation to georgia to show them how they would do the spring. they started the little presentation and then out what these men in white astronaut suits covered from head to toe with the sample of the spraying and the peruvians just rant and said, we're not going to do that. >> and son now we will -- by a show of hands will bring the microphone around so that everyone can hear the question and then we will start our discussion. anyone want to kick a suffer the question? comment? something you want to share? it doesn't matter. all starts here and come up here. >> i was just wondering as a follow-up, did they ever have a widespread eradication? >> widespread, but not effective. so in colombia where they do the aerial spraying, fumigation, we destroyed millions of acres of coca and rain forest environment. one of the most by a diverse countries and the world, literally scorching the years. but what are politicians don't talk about is that colombia is bigger than texas a

the republicans or conservatives can't seem to do a ross perot presentation and i think men would grabhis better because her visual. if you put up some charts and show that over the last election, people would get a period when you talk verbally and throw out numbers, it's much more difficult to follow along in your head msi ross perot was so successful when he ran because we could see on the screen. everybody made fun, but it was the fact days. >> guest: i agree with you. i was invited to be here with my charts today. i have them all and i use a lot on the floor. it's really a legitimate criticism. it's very flattering to have people say that to you, but she has to look at your skill set and you have to look your age and your health and i've been through three pretty good does have cancer and i actually would like to spend time with my grandkids and my wife more so in the future. and i think they're going to be far more talented people at me with greater skill set tonight have to fulfill that job. >> host: before that call came and i had the e-mail pulled out. senator coburn, please r

they were trying to convince perot so they brought a delegation i think it was to georgia to show them how they would do this for a man they started a little presentation to watch these men in astronaut suits covered from head to toe with the sample. we will end on that. >> by a show of hands we will bring a microphone around so everyone can hear your question and then we will start our discussion. anyone want to kick us off with a question? comments for the panel, something you want to share, doesn't matter. okay i will start here in the back and then come up here. >> i was just wondering the spread of the coca leaf because of the 61 -- or redo the aerial spraying fumigation we've destroyed millions of acres of coca in the rainforest and fireman's in the world where literally squashing there's the alana of the earth but our politicians look like is that columbia bigger than texas and california combined the same is true of bolivia and peru these are large land masses to eradicate coca and to have a war on dandelions' good luck it's not possible. nonetheless gave them the sun columbias

ross perot was worth four times the amount of money that mitt romney is, and he got a lot of people to believe he was a populist. he was for the middle class. we have to have equal who have an everyman and everyone's story to which people can't relate. it is incredibly important. >> one thing -- we cannot over emphasize the top down mentality that you talked about. the most successful part of the conservative movement in the last two years has and what? tea party. did that start in washington? no. it was because of washington. but the fact is, that came from a conservative grassroots. a lot of people talk about the sophistication of the left for voter turnout. they were more sophisticated even at the digital level. but to your point, they touched people personally. we counted how many robo calls went in. they can't determine new doors they actually knocked on. they did a mix of new and old style. part of it was their campaign on the ground never went home. in ohio, they have been there for four years. many of our state and local places -- we have to revisit that. a lot of directives co

he beat the first president bush in the 1992 election, in which independent candidate ross perot gotbout 19% of the popular vote. this is about 20 minutes. [applause] >> governor, are you ready to take the oath? >> i am. >> would you please raise your right hand? i, william jefferson clinton, do solemnly swear that i will faithfully execute the office of president of the united states -- >> that i will faithfully execute the office of president of the united states -- >> and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states, so help me god. >> so help me, god. >> congratulations. [cheers and applause] ♪ ["hail to the chief" plays] [gun salute] >> we are getting ready to do it. ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states of america, william jefferson clinton. [cheers and applause] >> my fellow citizens, today we celebrate the mystery of american renewal. this ceremony is held in the depth of winter, but by the words we speak and the faces we show the world, we force the spring, a spring reborn in the world's oldest democrac

. >> the kitchen and the perot?icked me in the throat--they kick you out in the pot throat. >> for chilly there were no fatalities. they tossed the place and did not find what they were looking for they left the place with laptops and wallets and expensive photography equipment. >> most of the cell phones were gone. they were able to keep oneself on and with that one the called the police department. they're opehoping the police can track down the phone and the suspect. >> this was brazen and bold. the victims tell me that when the guys came in their faces were not covered. that you've anny. >> let us hope the sulfone fully the officers to the suspect. thank you so much. james. >> we have a look for mount tam this morning showing us a beautiful shot around the bay. it is cold!. >> good morning james. it is clear out there but a freezing start to the morning. 35 in san jose. upper 20s in livermore. it is cold out there though the national weather service has not issued a freeze warning or frost advisory. >> it does n

to paraphrase ross perot's running mate in the debate many years ago, why are we here? at least one response to the question is we don't know if the health care cost have been slain or is just hibernating. how much comes from the sluggish economic recovery where people are postponing care over which they have any kind of discussion at all what about expensive treatments and tests them for the most expensive health care programs is the fact that 10,802 joining and joining me in the over 65 set everyday. despite relatively encouraging news -- [inaudible] we are talking today about this, which is a century old land of the common philanthropy of the greater good. we have doctor david blumenthal. i'm not going to give him a formal reproduction, but i will give you a brief biological sketchier materials. it barely hits the highlights of his distinguished careers. amidst all his expertise, he is also a primary care physician. he has many different parts of this health care system under his belt. welcome to not reverse alliance briefing, but he first had a become alliance group

ross perot was worth four times the amount of money mitt romney was worth. he was for the middle class. we will have to have people who have an everyman or everywoman story. >> we cannot overemphasize the top-down mentality. the most successful part of the conservative movement has been what? did that start in washington? no. that came from the conservative grassroots, quite frankly. a lot of people talked about the sophistication of the left. they touched people personally. they counted how many doors they knocked on. people they talk to and places where they lived. they mixed news style and old style. their campaign apparatus on the ground never went home. many of our state and local republican allies, they were not the powerhouses that they were. we have to revisit that. a lot of directives come from the national level and that has not been a good thing. >> my son is here with me tonight and he spent all of last summer in 99 degree heat knocking on doors in virginia. there were plenty of people to work out there. i would point out that i agree the ground

so, to paraphrase ross perot's running mate in a debate many years ago, why are we here? and at least one response to that question is, we don't know if the health care cost dragon has dragon has been slain norris just hibernating. how much of the slow increase in cost comes from the sluggish economic recovery, more people without insurance, people postponing care over which they have any kind of discussion at all, and what about the explosion in chronic conditions continuing to develop in a more sophisticated and more expensive treatments and tests and for the most expensive health program, medicare, there are in fact 10,000 baby boomers joining me in the over 65 set every day. so despite the relatively encouraging numbers from hhs about 2011, there is still a lot about this issue to be discussed and analyzed and here we are with what i think is going to be a very good program on that topic. we are very pleased to have as our partner in today's program the commonwealth fund, which is a century old philanthropy setup to set up to promote the common wheel, the common good

centers the mother is a subset of people, the people in the big cities really do not understand why perot people are attached to their guns and why they don't see them as this demonic force that a lot of urban politicians do. i think the reason the nra sustains its appeal to those people is because it addresses -- it tries to bring their concerns a congress that may not understand this issue very well. so there is a cultural divide here, and the nra stays on one side of that cultural divide. >> but think we talk about our cultural and lifestyle differences, but that is why when you are trying to build a campaign effort it also has an impact on kind of the safety of any community. it has to be focused on criminal access to guns. that is where you can build. >> without a doubt. without a doubt, and that is why i think -- and there are exemptions from the type of crime that should have been -- actually dropped a should be added back in. i mean, a juvenile has been sentenced for violent crimes. their record is exempt when they become adults, and it shouldn't be. that was dropped from the orig

that worked for ross perot. >> here's the deal see!ohn mccain made a rare sunday morning talk show appearance. for those of you who don't know, john mccain has in his house he sleeps in the attic and he has a pole to slide down and a red phone in case a sunday morning show calls. [ laughter ] >> john: so every week, the pole gets a ride. he's there. we'll be playing some clips from him. today, we have to have a bit of a funeral for sarah palin on fox news. >> i don't know. i would love to think that we've seen the last of her but i don't think so. >> john: i don't think so either. >> i don't think so. >> we have speculation coming out she may pop up on another network. >> john: her people are calling mr. zucker all weekend. >> she did make a comment on her interview with breitbart where she said we shouldn't just be preaching to the choir. conservatives need to reach out. which is funny because she did it on breitbart. she's setting herself up to reach out to a larger audience without getting chastised for it. >> john: i do think you'r

i agree in the sense that argentina after perot was permanently changed. what made peronism different from chavismo -- he created a series of industrialization organizations and focus groups. chavez has done none of that. in attempts to intellectualize, semi-democratic regime has missed the mark. this is basically government by personalize fiat. chavez came to power in the wake of the collapse of a regime. he is not an institution builder. it is fine coalition -- to businesses to military officers -- there's no coherence or structure to it. will this disappear or evaporate after chavez? i think it is difficult. i don't think it chavismo will. it will remain -- i don't think it will. chavez will remain. people will remember, p, peron -- people will remember, much like peron post-world war ii. these guys know. you either hang separately or they hang together. it is difficult to believe that they will already fragment when there's so much on the table. i think people are already trying to figure out what these fractures are. i think the real test is -- a new

to paraphrase ross perot's running mate in a debate many years ago, "why are we here?" at least one response to that question is we do not know if the health-care cost dragon has been slain or is just hibernating. how much of the slow increase comes from the sluggish economic recovery where people without insurance postpone care over which they don't have any kind of discretion at all, and what about the chronic conditions that continued the development of more sophisticated and expensive treatments and tasks? and for the most expensive health care program there is the fact that 10,000 baby boomers are joining me in the over 65 club every day. despite the encouraging numbers about 2011 there is still a lot about this issue to be discussed and analyzed. and here we are with what i think is going to be a very good program on that topic. we are fairly pleased to have, as our partner in today's program, the commonwealth fund. and we are especially pleased to have as our co-moderator today, dr. david blumenthal. i will mention that his policy an analyst -- on top of his poli

perot of texas pittard >> thank you mr. chairman and madame secretary for your service to the country. gordon roland from oregon, frederick from texas and victor am i district of texas, three americans overseas killed not in benghazi, that killed at a remote gas facility in algeria. killed in my opinion because they were americans. over the last weekend, myself and others have tried to get information. i would say there's too much in my opinion red tape from trying to get basic information from the families as to what happened in a situation like that. i would hope the state department but what the protocol and try to streamline and because people die. the algerian government reports after the of captured some of the terrorists alive, some claiming to be from egypt, one says after interrogation by the algerian government, whatever that interrogation may entail that there were a egyptians involved in the benghazi attack but were up the attack on the gas plant in algeria. at the time of the attack and in all sharia the next d