americans wondered, would perot's candidacy succeed? as you and i know, we are in deep voodoo. man: perot himself did not use any polling data at all for planning his behavior in the campaign. he considered that immoral. i mean, it was an issue campaign for him, it was a campaign of principle, and he thought that trying to shape your campaign with polls was not something he was going to do. if i could have one wish for the two parties, it would be to stop taking polls and go talk to people. washington doesn't listen. washington takes a 1,900-person poll sample and makes a decision affecting 250 million people. poussaint: the league of women voters asked perot to participate in the presidential debate because he was polling at 10% or better of the projected vote -- he got a huge boost from that inclusion. but elation soon turned to sorrow when the votes were counted on election night. man: we asked on the exit polling, "would you have voted for ross perot if you thought he could win?" and it turned out he would have gotten 40% of the vot

i would say that that was ross perot. ross perot is the only third- party candidate in the 20th century that may have spent more money on his presidential campaign than either the republican or democratic candidates. it was because he was so well to do. he circumvented the restrictions on what he could spend because he did not get any federal money for his campaign. host: about five minutes left. i wanted to take a minute -- how did you get so interested in third parties? guest: i am a graduate of several universities, wake forest is one of them. way back in the 1960's, there was a challenge symposium. it was about alternative politics. there were two third-party people that came. one was an ultra-far right person, george lincoln rockwell, representing the american nazi party. there was another person, norman thompson, the long-term candidate of the socialist party. it seemed to me -- one of them totally left me completely floored in terms of the viciousness of what was said. the other person talk about how his party is s

i would say that that was ross perot.oss perot is the only third- party candidate in the 20th century that may have spent more money on his presidential campaign than either the republican or democratic candidates. it was because he was so well to do. the restrictions on what he could spend because he did not get any federal money for his campaign. host: about five minutes left. i wanted to take a minute -- how did you get so interested in third parties? guest: i am a graduate of several universities, wake forest is one of them. way back in the 1960's, there was a challenge symposium. it was about alternative politics. there were two third-party people that came. one was an ultra-far right person, george lincoln rockwell, representing the american not the party. nazi party. there was another person, norman thompson, the long-term candidate of the socialist party. it seemed to me -- one of them totally left me completely floored in terms of the viciousness of what was said. talk about hown his party is so influenced major

heading to spain you know what would be all one family with the same dream brothers and sisters if the perot gets there we will be saved if it sinks we will all die even those who know the sea well we must show solidarity of water starts getting into the pirogue we all take it out immediately we don't wait for the fisherman. legs to be a god given day after two days at sea and if someone fell ill if ever i know what i left in the water and then he wouldn't eat or drink he was vomiting we were different we forced him to eat and drink but he kept on vomiting we don't know what . throughout he died on the third day of the journey that he would get we through his body to see because he started to decompose. they were afraid when we when we threw his body into the sea. we all prayed to god that he would go to heaven i'm in your home going to many were crying and saying we're all going to die. when there wasn't you on the fourth day big waves broke the battle of the really really big go it was. good but. what about the body at that moment everyone was out of control no one good no matter how many

on the fourth day big waves broke the barrel of the perot. but. at that moment everyone was out of control no one good know how many because those people who had more experience know how dangerous it is. i'm going to get out. on the lookout and think i'm evidence more among the eldest of us all a very experienced fisherman he told us not to fear about the pira advised us to take a rope. and use it to tie the broken pieces. the political in the book in the book god of the good because. we did i thought you and we used bags to close the hole that really did up we're. delighted when you look at some lay down and sealed the hole with their backs you know about it down so that water wouldn't get into the pirogue what on them you on our journey was one of the hardest ever made. for you dealing with here is that you did a few years time but there are children who will just be doing commerce on the internet media that that's the future if you don't have a safe environment to do that. we're going to face big problems. such as. that's all i want to. make up

plan doctor said, well, did those circumstances it is certainly more likely that the bond and the perot was an exit wound. i mean, the doctors who subsequently look at the autopsy x-rays and photographs in 1968, 1975, 1978 all looked at the autopsy photographs and the x-rays, and opportunity the warren commission did not have, and all of those experienced pathologist concluded unanimously, 17 of them, that the shot to the brain injured from the right rear and the top front and that the shot tr and d through the throw. seventeen pathologist's agreed on the first shot to the head. fifteen but those disagreed on the second shot to the back exiting to the third. on 21 people who have examined the issue of qualifications beyond challenge 20 of 21 agree that the single bullet theory is impact on the theory but a conclusion of fact. i have respect for the park when doctors and i'm sure it has been shared drought this remember world for their skills and efforts to resuscitate a president who had brought some much hope and promise to the future of this country and what strikes me as the 50th ann

my favorite part of this speech that he gave, where it was before ross perot.evenue will grow. that was an abhorrent notion at the time, wasn't it? >> "the wall street journal" editorial opposed it and later said he was wrong. >> why did they oppose it? they fear it would be reckless? is that their view? >> they thought they should cut spending by the same amount to make sure there was no deficit. >> jfk said no, why? >> because he knew that cutting the tax rates would grow the economy. so that the government revenues were higher. but he didn't want a big revenue for the federal government. he just thought people could use the money more efficiently than the government could. they would save and invest. >> where did the democrat party veer after that? >> well, it's a sad story. mcgovern, carter, it took until bill clinton was dragged to a capital gains tax cut by newt gingrich. >> but to be fair, he did lower a lot of investment-related rates, albeit with a push from republicans. but lesson is what? >> jfk was a conservative. and if we want growth, we need tax

somebody to be the face of it in a way that ross perot was in 1992.dy probably who has the resources to be able to fund and run a national campaign. but the prospects are somebody actually doing more than having an impact at the margins are pretty small, for the reasons i said before. if you think of yourself as a republican, 95% of you are going to vote for the public and presidential nominee and probably the republican congressional nominee in your congressional district and the republican senate in your state and if you're democrat missing. if you're an independent, you know, more than happy, probably three quarters of you lean to one side or the other. and that still dictates of political behavior in this country. we've been through periods of polarization and carriage in which congress switched back and forth. we went through that a little over 100 years ago, and we came out of it, you know, at the beginning, or the end of the 19th century and the dimming of the 20th century when the republicans were put in power and had a run and then the democr

litmus test -- >> well, that's the argument without dividing the party -- >> i would liken it to ross perotght? there's a man who ran for president, whose big issue, deficit reduction, was a shaping force of the campaign, taken up by bill clinton -- >> what's the occupation action on the left? it certainly helped bring mitt romney down. his 47% killed him. >> i think it's a radical reflection of what elizabeth warren stands for in the senate, an anger at wall street powers, an idea that some fundamental wrong is perpetuating itself, they have too much power and the scales need to be tilted back towards middle class. >> i think you're making a point and hillary clinton will have to touch that base. thank you so much, joy reid. as always, i think you're getting ahead of me on 2016, thinking it through. when you went to nevada, she's ahead of me again. i'm not patronizing. you have thought it through more than me. joy reid, thank you, and josh green, thank you for the intellectualism here. >>> "let me finish" tonight with this. i just got back from atlanta, georgia, and the big book festival d

election and the proof of that just go back and look at what happened in one thousand night to with ross perot and how mike in honolulu hawaii hey mike what's up. with a great show. i think it's i put on the ek that suzanne somers the woman portrayed as. this company has a completely right about the obamacare which is to intimidate but it is up there with the discussion i mean health care. the cost. i mean why don't people see this. but nobody else does except in thanks mike for the color in her op ed the wall street journal she wasn't exactly characterizing it that way but one of the interesting points that you make mike and i think it's a it's an important one to make every single time somebody says well most of more than half of america doesn't like obamacare is that you know when you do those polls of course if you ask about the policies that are obamacare everybody likes those you know well you can't throw me off the policy because because of because i get sick those kind of things but when you ask people do you like obamacare or not just that binary question there's a lot of people like

i voted in 1988, for far -- for ross perot. since 2004, straight republican? caller: absolutely. host: alice from florida. caller: i don't think hillary clinton will win against chris christie. i believe she will lose because she is too connected to obama. president obama has done a lot of damage in this country with medical care, benghazi, the irs, there's no sense in me going on like that. shame -- iis a believe that is going to hurt her. clintoncare for hillary because i like her husband bill clinton. i thought he was a great president. personal life his personal life but i think as far as the economy, he was wonderful. all people ofr all classes and all color. christie is in the middle. she is too far to the left. toshe wants to the ash wants be president she's to come to the middle. if she wants to be president she needs to come to the middle. i think ted cruz is stubborn. the believe he hurt republican party. i believe his intentions were good. go tou have to be able to the middle and look at both parties. i don't think he is willing to do that. i like senator rubio. people

. >> ross perot, whom as you both know ran as a third-party candidate in 1992 against george h.w.bush and bill clinton, warned us against nafta. listen to this. >> if you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factories south of the border, pay $1 an hour for labor, hire young 20 -- that's assuming you've been in business for a long time, you've got a mature workforce. pay $1 an hour for your labor, have no healthcare, that's the most expensive single element making the costs, have no environmental controls, no pollution controls, and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south. >> he was prophetic. >> yeah. well, and the funny bit about his math is that actually one of the things which is distressing, and apparently this is actually worse in the tpp, but the companies had tended to move production even when the economic case was very weak. and so when that happens, what you're really seeing is a transfer from -- you're not really seeing shareholders benefit. you're basically

. >> billionaire businessman ross perot who contributed more than $160,000 of his own money to the project was one of the most outspoken. >> you have two choices start all over again or modify the design. >> have a look, everyone. >> osgood: over his objection it is design was modified, with the addition of a statue by frederick heart of three servicemen, one white, one african-american, and one hispanic, though at a slight distance from the memorial rather than at its apex as some had wanted. >> those early disagreements have faded with time, as the memorial has become one of the most visited monuments in washington. >> somewhat to her surprise. >> i guess i haven't seen how loved it would become, and yet at the same time, it doesn't forget the high price of war. >> osgood: and with all those names carved so permanently into stone, there is no way any of us can ever forget the sacrifice of those who served. >> >> osgood: ahead, a breakfast >> >> osgood: ahead, a breakfast in beijing. >> >> osgood: an enjoyable breakfast in beijing does not necessarily involve cooking anything or eating an

and while ross perot tried to use it as this very jean-louis to scare tactic of selling, let those workers, their enemy, you know, a lot of other workers in unions said look at what is going on at the border. what we try to figure out how to fight together because, after all, the companies in the same. you know, general electric, factories there, factories here. so i think that was a good response that we were able to make. in fact, if we could do the same thing around immigration and think we would be a lot further ahead. >> thank you. first of all, thank you very much for this thought-provoking lecture. your opinion. it is interesting. reform, completely agree. the idea of dignifying the movement and giving more emphasis, the dignity of people rather than on the market benefits, this is something that we should all work for. what i -- i am not totally convinced. and need to read your book to go more into it. the idea that you propose -- to me, i understand it as an actor explanation, historical marxist sort of against the nation of in forced migration from the mexican states into the pop

. >> more on your weather coming up and in the meantime let's take a look at perot's, nothing as reported at the bay bridge toll plaza. this is a great time for you to leave your home. >> it is as a debt-free for the golden gate bridge and we do not have areas of patchy fog like we had yesterday. the drive time is still under 25 minutes. as we turn to the traffic, you could see green on the roadway sensors for westbound 580 approaching the dublin interchange. the nimitz freeway is currently incident free. >> communities throughout the bay area spent time honoring our veterans. in lafayette, a vigil was held last night along the hillside where thousands of crosses honor the fallen from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. nearly four thousand crosses have been placed there since 2006. today, the death toll stands at nearly seven thousand from those wars. some say the memorial serves as a reminder about the cost of war. >> it is important to honor those who have died, given their lives and a service to our country. >> the war in afghanistan is still going on. we do not want people to forget th

perot campaign in 1912.because there are two republicans running-when spivvy and then, of course, but the parties, when he loses, runs on the bonus third-party campaign opening the door for the democrats win. but what was so emotionally moving for me is the hard break when they broke with much greater than i realized because the french ships had been much stronger. i love writing about these emotional things. allowed to be much more than just destroyed, linear story. >> well, scott berg, woodrow wilson camera into the picture. he was elected. he went back to progressivism. talk about that a little bit. >> she went back to progressivism daytime taking the foundation, roosevelt, not teddy, to woodrow wilson. but really it was built upon. and wilson wanted to commend it is kind of ironic because most people have an image of this very presbyterian minister son. in fact, he was extremely human. he was extremely emotional and very passionate they read what he wanted to do, above all, was to humanize the presidency

in 1992, ross perot got lots of time on network television, spent half an hour going through charts. it actually worked. part of it was the novelty and parted it was because it was on prime time, network stations at a time when cable was not to the extent it was now. -- it is now. i like the idea. it is a classical sense of people being informed and making decisions based on it. i just don't know and the modern world if it is practical. and i think the political campaigns, part of what they spend a lot of time doing is figuring out how to get people who are generally disinterested to pay attention to what they are trying to say. they know they have a brief period of time in which to talk to people, so they make their message as compact and compelling in that brief amount of time that they can, which often means you get sort of -- here aretead of the 19 things i plan to do with my campaign. .ost: peter in texas independent caller. hi, peter. caller: i was just asking for -- you got any statistics about vote in correlation to how much was spent in the field, but what about statistic as

ross perot says -- was right he said you were going to hear a sucking sound when it comes to jobs.ven though i am a democrat, i am open to energy. it is creating jobs. as long as there are environmental sanctities. you have to be realistic. i was in the mortgage business, i was lucky and retired. we gave too many loans to people that should not have had them and the restrictions -- we took all of the restrictions off area i blame the american people for not paying attention. they do not vote in primaries. tell your relatives and your friends to get off their rear and and pay attention to who is running. get out and vote. retired, was that because you were financially able to? caller: yes. host: did you make a fair amount of money for the work you did? caller: pretty good. especially towards the end. business, i got in it by a fluke. i had been in advertising. the last four to six years was phenomenal. there were no restrictions. right.ublicans are they gave loans to a lot of people that should never have qualified. we do not have a commonsense approach with our leaders. andle had b

in 1992, ross perot got lots of time on network television, spent half an hour going through charts.actually worked. part of it was the novelty and parted it was because it was on prime time, network stations at a time when cable was not to the extent it was now. -- it is now. i like the idea. it is a classical sense of people being informed and making decisions based on it. i just don't know and the modern world if it is practical. and i think the political campaigns, part of what they spend a lot of time doing is figuring out how to get people who are generally disinterested to pay attention to what they are trying to say. they know they have a brief period of time in which to talk to people, so they make their message as compact and compelling in that brief amount of time that they can, which often means you get sort of -- here aretead of the 19 things i plan to do with my campaign. .ost: peter in texas independent caller. hi, peter. caller: i was just asking for -- you got any statistics about vote in correlation to how much was spent in the field, but what about statistic as far

somebody to be the face of it in a way that ross perot was in 1992.probably who has the resources to be able to fund and run a national campaign. but the prospects are somebody actually doing more than having an impact at the margins are pretty small, for the reasons i said before. if you think of yourself as a republican, 95% of you are going to vote for the public and presidential nominee and probably the republican congressional nominee in your congressional district and the republican senate in your state and if you're democrat missing. if you're an independent, you know, more than happy, probably three quarters of you lean to one side or the other. and that still dictates of political behavior in this country. we've been through periods of polarization and carriage in which congress switched back and forth. we went through that a little over 100 years ago, and we came out of it, you know, at the beginning, or the end of the 19th century and the dimming of the 20th century when the republicans were put in power and had a run and then the democrats

perot campaign in 1912.because there are two republicans running-when spivvy and then, of course, but the parties, when he loses, runs on the bonus third-party campaign opening the door for the democrats win. but what was so emotionally moving for me is the hard break when they broke with much greater than i realized because the french ships had been much stronger. i love writing about these emotional things. allowed to be much more than just destroyed, linear story. >> well, scott berg, woodrow wilson camera into the picture. he was elected. he went back to progressivism. talk about that a little bit. >> she went back to progressivism daytime taking the foundation, roosevelt, not teddy, to woodrow wilson. but really it was built upon. and wilson wanted to commend it is kind of ironic because most people have an image of this very presbyterian minister son. in fact, he was extremely human. he was extremely emotional and very passionate they read what he wanted to do, above all, was to humanize the presidency