wisdom is that perot cost george h.w. bush. now, the exit polls actually show that of the people that did vote for ross perot in 1992, half of them if you asked them their second choice or who would they have voted for if perot were not running, half of them said chipton and half said bush. clinton and half said bush. so that would theoretically suggest that perot actually made no difference. now, as the reality i bet if they had asked a year or two earlier who were you supporting, i bet the vast majority of them had supported president bush and that perot had been so critical so early on of president bush that i think his candidacy acted as a chisel that effect be fly -- effectively chipped a lot of people off supporting president bush, and then had perot dropped out, half of them would have gone back, but half of them wouldn't. so i think, you know, deep down i think he probably did cost bush the election but not necessarily as clear cut as it seems. there's no question in my mind that nader cost gore florida and the el

in while with ross perot showed --exit polls first of all, the conventional wisdom is that perot cost george h.w. bush the election. the exit polls showed that of the people who did vote for ross perot in 1992, half of them if you asked them who they were voting for if perot were not running, half said clinton and have said bush. -- and half of them said bush. i would suggest that perot actually made no difference. would -- i bet if they would have been asked a year or two earlier, who are you supporting, i bet the vast majority had supported president bush. and perot had been so critical so early on of president bush that i think his candidacy acted as a chisel that effectively pushed -- chipped a lot of people off of supporting resident bush, and if perot had dropped out, half of them would have gone back, but half would not have. costdown, he probably did bush the election, but not necessarily as clear cut as it seems. there is no question in my mind gore in florida the election. that is why we have seen third- party candidates get less support since 2000. only that younot are thro

that perot cost george h.w.h the election. the exit polls showed that of the people who did vote for ross perot in 1992, half of them if you asked them who they were voting for if perot were not running, half said clinton and have said bush. -- and half of them said bush. i would suggest that perot actually made no difference. in reality, i would -- i bet if they would have been asked a year or two earlier, who are you supporting, i bet the vast majority had supported president bush. and perot had been so critical so early on of president bush that i think his candidacy acted as a chisel that effectively pushed -- chipped a lot of people off of supporting resident bush, and if perot had dropped out, half of them would have gone back, but half would not have. deep down, he probably did cost bush the election, but not necessarily as clear cut as it seems. there is no question in my mind that nader cost gore in florida the election. that is why we have seen third- party candidates get less support since 2000. the i

wisdom is that perot cost george h.w. bush. now, the exit polls actually show that of the people that did vote for ross perot in 1992, half of them if you asked them their second choice or who would they have voted for if perot were not running, half of them said chipton and half said bush. clinton and half said bush. so that would theoretically suggest that perot actually made no difference. now, as the reality i bet if they had asked a year or two earlier who were you supporting, i bet the vast majority of them had supported president bush and that perot had been so critical so early on of president bush that i think his candidacy acted as a chisel that effect be fly -- effectively chipped a lot of people off supporting president bush, and then had perot dropped out, half of them would have gone back, but half of them wouldn't. so i think, you know, deep down i think he probably did cost bush the election but not necessarily as clear cut as it seems. there's no question in my mind that nader cost gore florida and the el

ross perot said we are going to focus on the budget.oth of which opened a flank for the president's reelection, and i think ultimately it did him in. >> how do they use the white house to entertain to achieve their goals? >> i think they use it effectively. they are considered to be tremendous hosts and hostesses. they already entered a time when decisions had to be made about which state dinners to hold, but apparently, whatever they chose, they chose wisely. >> in our 15 minutes left we have to move on to post white house. the question from one of our viewers sets the stage. how did mrs. bush switchgears in to post white house life? this is from brian watkins. >> part of her was really relieved. she wouldn't have been unhappy if they had left politics in 1980 when he lost the republican nomination to ronald reagan, but i think she slipped into it very gracefully. she wrote her autobiography, her first. she was enjoying seeing her family and the children. they were back in texas. she was back with friends and on more familiar ground, a

perot ran as a pro-choice kind of candidate.not surprisingly the libertarian voters were the most likely to support perot. he was giving these voters exactly what they wanted and yet the likelihood a libertarian would cast a vote for perot was only 35%. the likelihood of a vote wasn't so high. we think it is something we should not worry about too much. this leaves parties with a couple of different options. how do we sustained a durable majority over the long haul? you can imagine they might say we might to try to appeal to folks that have some set of issues where they see things our way. we rely on a formula on a paper to try to estimate how much support candidates get from particular kinds of groups at how much they turn out. those are the key elements of the formula. we applied the same formula to our ideological groups. this shows the percentage of contribution to the vote totals from 1970 two until 2012. conservatives provide the lion share of support. they have really jumped up in the amount of support they provide for th

guess who decides who's in the debates the democrats and republicans got in why you haven't heard of perot that in the base yeah he got ya but that was in ninety two when they were under the national league of women voters that then the dems and republican congress immediately took it away from them and they formed the federal debate commission which was run by two former hondros of the democrats in the replied like ns is that is more writing on the wall do people need to see you said that there's that it doesn't matter what party has the presidency is still feel that way absolutely because they're both bought and sold by the same corporate interests when you cover like when you put on a football game if you bet on both teams you're not going to lose any money and that's exactly what they do they pay off both sides at their respective conventions they've got all their bases covered they pick the two candidates and then they evolve the people to pick the one out of their original two that are already picked no it doesn't make any difference people should see that clearly after george bush a

would want me to come back for them in the grid you taken me back to ninety two and my guess was ross perot and he said the same thing put me on a ballot in every state now run well that that's what's required if you're an independent because it's different in every state they make it that way so that you have to jump through all the hoops so that they don't get a third choice but the way public sentiment is right now larry i mean i would run on this i would offer the people of america challenge them to elect the first president since george washington the father of our country. that doesn't belong to a political party imagine that and i think the way it is today you could win on that issue alone we're talking with governor jesse ventura on this edition of politicking with larry king yes he's gone off the grid we'll come back and talk about that right after this. if you take a look very hard to take a. look again. at that fact that here make their feelings. cute. but. the people. i've got a quote for you. it's pretty tough. to stay with that story and you can get this guy like you would sme

did perot support come from? we have conservatives voting and the likelihood of 27% for ross perot. libertarians over 35% and moderates a little over 25%. ross perot ran as a pro-choice but no economic regulation candidate, a libertarian set of issue positions and not surprisingly the libertarian voters were the most likely to support ross perot. on the other hand, he was giving these voters exactly what they wanted in general from a policy perspective and yet their likelihood that a libertarian would cast a vote for him was only 35%. even in the group that matched the independent candidate rest, when he was matching preferences the likelihood of a vote was not so high, speaking to the dominance of the party system in american politics. we think that the freedman argument about the radical center is one we should not worry about too much. -- this leaves parties with a couple different options. how do we sustain a durable majority over the long haul? you can imagine the parties might say to themselves what we folkso do is appeal to who are not in our core but have a set of issues whe

looking in our groups, where did the perot support come from? we engage in a logistic analysis that we talk about more in the paper for those were interested in that sort of thing. our figure is providing the predicted probability that a member of each of our ideological groups voted for perot. and so we have conservatives voting, likely around 26 or 27%, liberals and pipe was right at 20%, libertarians over 35%. and moderates a little over 25. perot ran as a pro-choice but no economic regular should have candidate, a libertarian set of issue positions, and not surprisingly the libertarian voters were the most likely to support for roe. on the other hand, for roe was giving these voters decide what these voters decide whether one can jump from a policy perspective and yet the likelihood that a libertarian would cast a vote for perot's only 35% or even in the group that matched the independent candidate best when the candidate was matching preferences, the likelihood of a vote wasn't so high, speaking to the dominance of the party system in ameri

bill clinton for the nomination and you know perot his prose peak came a few months after that but i think you know what was interesting more recently was when donald trump before he became a berth or when he first came out and said i'm seriously thinking of running for president and it was on c.n.n. it was even on fox he said why and he said because i want to stop the. you know the exporting of all these jobs we need to bring terrorists back and he explicitly said tariffs and immediately the republican party started applauding him you know and there was serious talk about and then when he went on birth of the new nose but i really don't want that you could take a donald trump column from nineteen eighty eight and change every mention of japan to china and you'd have a column from two thousand and four to see i think whichever party becomes was perot adopts this and repudiates what both parties have been doing is going to never again lose an election because i think americans get it that our trade policy is is and then which brings us back to these budget deficits we're now in this i

then took the biggest slide of anybody -- any politician and went on to lose but they blamed ross perotat, he was a third-party candidate. it wasn't the reason for it. >> i was just going to mention i talked to a predecessor of mine from years ago, marlon fitzwater who served during the reagan administration as press secretary and for george bush 41. i talked to him today. he sent me a note that said president bush understood how to govern and how to extend his views through his managers in government for example, he often would tell people coming to an oval office meeting no politics in this meeting, and it didn't take long for everybody in government to understand that bush was about governing, not about playing politics. but eric, could you make an argument that maybe he should have played more politics at the time? >> it seems like our politics -- politics have divided. we keep going further and further. i kind of find it intriguing to see the legacies. you look at jimmy carter's legacy, just how the perception of them has changed since they were in office. dramatic changes in some

one family with the same dream brothers and sisters mr perot gets there we will be saved if it sinks we will all die even those who know the sea well we must show solidarity of water starts getting into the pirogue we all take it out immediately we don't wait for the fisherman. legs to be given after two days at sea and if someone fell ill for a. woman he wouldn't eat or drink he was vomiting we forced him to eat and drink but he kept on vomiting we don't know what. throughout he died on the third day of the journey that he would get we threw his body to see because he started to decompose. we when we threw his body into the sea. we all prayed to god that he would go to heaven i'm in your home and in the many were crying and saying we're all going to die. when there was an image on the fourth day big waves broke the battle of the. good but. at that moment everyone was out of control no one did know how many because those people who had more experience know how dangerous it is. back i'm going to go i will have a god who was on the lookout i'm think i'm evidence more money. eldest of a

>> it is of a complex air space they have overlapping aerospace also teeter perot has said no-fly zoneout midnight on the day of gave it could be severe weather will to believe that will determine how quickly they get out. melissa: debts starts with the guys on the ground that fuel up the plane to get you in mind that say you are ready to go. i think they will be taking bribes. that cost between ted and $50,000 to fuel you up? will say pay if they say still be up the first to put be at the front of the allied? to begin will pay a lot of money to cubbage and teeter borrow there is the recent free also all different sized aircraft thousands of dollars it depends on how big your airplane as they control the group's base so the more you pay these guys whether it is a nice tip to their grain import drop the celebrity game or dropping below the more they will pay attention. melissa: a kid you give somebody might be ahead of time? they would do it. >> you can drive. i don't think that would hurt. melissa: do you recommend that? we will not tell anybody but if somebody called you say they are

perot physician country policy, they will officially tap every phone and computer. >> yes. that's official policy. all communications will be exposed to the russian secret services. >> even with the security crackdown, russia's president, president putin promises a festive olympic games. >>> curling is become a popular olympic sport and our own bob redell gave it a try. >> i have a vision of how this is going to play. oh, it's away. good weight. >> he looked good. >> the san francisco bay area curling club held today's demonstration at downtown ice in san jose. they hold learn to krurl clinics every week. you can learn how to throw stones. that's our director. >>> she's phenomenal. >> gabriella. >> it's similar to shuffleboard but involves sliding stones across ice to a target area. >> wow, she's good. >> he still hasn't gotten better. >> he needs to take lessons from her on a more regular basis. >> he does it every two years and he still falls. back in a moment with the new sign at the 49ers new stadium. stay with us. presents... so delicious, they won't even know it's chi

and agreement from other countries and they've already had the european commission in the form of perot's so they said that won't happen well leopards might not be the first thing to spring to mind when you think of the winter olympics but these big cats are assembled for sort of twenty fourteen for a reason the area is home to the endangered creatures who are fighting tooth and claw to survive to buy i would say is a sore cheek to find out what's being done to help still be hunted is resourceful scavengers persian let the smallest little while can't one stop these mountains in the caucuses. now these full of three elusive and skillful needed to be introduced to their natural habitat after fifty years thanks to the caucuses nature reserve leopard sent. its part of a program lim to the still g twenty four team lead to gains that aims to preserve and improve the region's wildlife and environment. richard though the animal has been spotted on the russian caucasus a few times there is no viable leopard population there our program is designed to start a new population of the personal library

you had ross perot, who half the voters think was too mentally unstable to be president. and you have clinton, this hayseed from arkansas. those two guys got 62% of the vote against an incumbent president. >> in this particular social situation, gets to be the way they celebrate the lives or the way they practice their lives. if you are doing it together, it reflects that most adequately the blues or jazz. jazz is a way of stomping the blues. >> jazz as a way of getting rid of the blues? >> you confront the facts of life. they woke up and realized they were slaves. that is a fact. the question of survival. do you cut your throat or do you get yourself together enough to be ready to stomp at the savoy by 9:00 that night? >> i say that my style is the absence of style. and yet it is obvious. people say they can tell by reading a passage that i wrote it. when they read one of my books, they know it is my book. >> is that good? >> i think it is good. >> it has a certain style. >> it has a certain sound. whether it is a zing. i think of style as sound. my attitude towards lett

. >> they are extreme conservatives who are right to life, a perot is selected , anti-what -- anti-gayhey are in favor of assault weapons of their the conservatives they have no place of the states of new york. that is not voodoo yorkers are. lou: he will join us to tell us his side of the story now have some opportunity before we bring you the bad news on wall street does stocks fell to the lowest levels dow jones industrial average 380 points closing below 16,000 the s&p 500 lost 38 points in the nasdaq was down brady points more than 4.5 billion shares traded the wilshire 5,000 mr. the sses of $475 billion. for the week the dow was down 3.5% best of the loss 2.5 sam the nasdaq 1.5% of the week. and not over quite yet. j.p. morgan jays ceo jamie diamond earned $20 million including 320,000 shares. his total stake is now more than 6 million shares valued at $325 millio running in bad today visa guarantees customers are not held responsible if it reaches stolen after 110 million people had their account information stolen with the data breach at target and the market as. herbalife shares

thank you for jo having colonel ralph peters, and richard said we tried the third party idea when ross perotsident, the democrats won both elections, i understand to remind that you is why emerging people, in "upheaval", i urge folks to get involved with the republican party to see if they can make a difference first in the leadership of the republican party ands direction of the party this election year, after that we'll talk some. we would like to hear from you, loudobbs.com could follow us on twitter @loudobbsnews, and our facebook page. >> stay tuned to fox business all night for president's state of the union, neil cavuto hosting live ca coverage, up next, a new poll, an overwhelming majority of americans have rejected whatever the president has to say tonight, and the a-team will be here to take it up. juan williams, lis wiehl, and brad blakeman are here, next. rd. it's not the "sign up for rewards each quarter" card. it's the no-games, no-messing-'round, no-earning-limit-having, do-i-look-like-i'm-joking, turbo-boosting, heavyweight-champion- of-the-world cash back card. thiss the qui

it told us that lacks the resources to conduct a perot review -- eight doro review -- a thorough review of the 215. resources are needed to make sure the oversight and accountability is ensured. the classified opinions revealed the nsa has exceeded court decisions and attempted to defend those actions and fun of the court. i think it is agreed that was a violation. my concern is that the nsa tried to defend its use of nonapproved selectors. i will be interested in your view why the nsa attempted to defend its illegal actions. what reforms are necessary to encourage the ic to come clean and admit its mistakes? there was a lack of misunderstanding -- of understanding and communication between the nsa and the court. there was no intentional attempt to circumvent the court what i think we had a bunch of engineers and computer scientists at nsa talking to a bunch of lawyers at the court and i think there was a lack of understanding about what each side was saying. i believe as soon as the nsa learned the court objections they rectified the problem. is thencidents point to need for the court

kennedy says later, perot in the book. i have not even read it. that was the best thing that ever happen because it would have been a running mate of stevenson. i remember bobby kennedy sang he bought for one because he said christmas cards to all the delegates. he learned something. and i'm so glad you mentioned here. that book, people from murray, is the very best. he died about a year ago. he was a wonderful, wonderful writer. those little -- if you have not read it, a little synopsis, it absolutely miracle. i'm so glad you said it. but now the question, you did mention joe mccarthy. and bobby kennedy, his brother, worked on the mcclellan committee. would you address that? and in keeping in character, any mention -- the constitutional amendment provided which the senate had to vote that gave d.c. their right to vote for president, the 23rd amendment. what was his interaction with the district of columbia? and even more. and then i will close with this line that i think you would enjoy. it would gene mccarthy said about three senators when he ra

like ross perot said, you will hear a big sucking sound with jobs leaving the country. they said that there were provisions in there that would andride our sovereign laws that corporations are pushing to make cheap labor universal around the world. i don't agree with that perspective. tpp, tradethat the agreements in general, are going to be a plus for our economy. there are winners and losers in any trade agreement. that is clear. but on net trade agreements like nafta, it will be a significant plus for our economy going forward. i do think that nafta and other trade agreements that were put ago,place 10, 15, 20 years were less of a plus for the economy. partially because it opened up the global economy and competition for the low-paying which really did hurt to a significant degree the low- paid workers in the united states who lost their jobs. very devastating. many of them lost manufacturing jobs because of these trade agreements. at this point in time, we are now on the cusp -- the united oftes is on the cusp enjoying in enormous benefit from those agreements. thos

. >> : a was unclear if he was quite clear up a pardon by himself or of perot's own behind him as welllittle area that he went into a closet and then that leads into a bathroom almost legged chicken josiah with two doors. he's either entering in the bathroom or exiting the bathroom one of the members that were positioned in the past the doorway made contact with him. >> : that is officer michael mates firing his weapon in that room there was adjoining bathroom off and root for to as up judge into a bathroom. this money counted the other officers it is my understanding that one of the first things that the officer saw was a handgun that protruded through the wall. >> : then the tragedy occurred when the sergeant was shot he was able to communicate that he was shot. that fell down and meet the officers rendered paid to him. >> : he believes that sergeant tom smith share of survived. >> : he says that the knees be better training for officers to organ into residential searches. to avoid these types of treasurys. >> : officials have not responded to what are. >> : ms. has been with all the

. >> the judge is also ordering him to pay the money back once he is perot.at they we live long enough to get their money back. >> we are just not even a day away for the waves at the mavericks. we will tell you when we come back. >> welcome back. this is just into the kron 4 news. word of some arrest and a notorious heist at a-as a new york's jfk airport back in 1978. it was a crime that was featured in martin scorsese's movie good fellows. gunmen stole about $5 million and untraceable u.s. currency, plus a million dollars in jewelry from a cargo terminal. five defendants have now been named in the case. one of them as alleged capt. in the bonnnanno family. >> if you are headed to this year's mavericks' surf competition a from a reminder to stay safe distance away from the action. >> ways and weather conditions cooperate, the competition will start at 8:00 a.m.. 24 surfers are going to be tried to get the top prize and six alternates offers are on standby. to watch this year's competition, a bit when area will be set up at the ocean on hold till near pillar

go back to '92, ross perot succeeded in a third-party challenge basically a republican message givenge h. w. bush had strayed. cheryl: the think this emboldens or heard of the tea party? i would think tea party members right now, michele bachman, incredibly nervous about this. >> i don't know why you would be nervous if you are in the tea party. tea party independents, these are all messages that the republican party hasn't -- cheryl: a good thing for the tea party. >> whether it is democrat or republican, these parties shouldn't take their voters for granted, they should allow and win them but i think the message is not that people are moving left, use the republican birdie numbers go down, mitt romney wasn't a big conservative so for republicans the message is the way you win those is by sticking to the message of work, the issue, free-market. cheryl: what does this mean for the midterms? >> not sure there is an impact on the midterms. the issue in the midterms is obamacare, the problems to this point, a premium spikes later in the year, whatever party, it happens to be the democra

of rossg the arrival perot's candidacy in the campaign. it brought bill clinton and hillary clinton to the white house. after they arrive, there was the announcement about health care. we have a couple of clips to show you that help demonstrate the intention of the first lady's involvement in health care. let's watch. [video clip] hillary has agreed to share this task force and she will be sharing some of the heat i expect to demonstrate. in the coming months, the american people will learn that we have a first lady of many talents, but most of all who can bring people together around on flex issues to hammer out consensus and get things done. >> as the president said, and as he believed, this is not a partisan issue. it is not an ideological battle. it is a problem to be solved that affects all of us. and i'm looking forward over the next weeks and months to not only working with you, but to watching you craft the most important social policy that our nation will have confronted in many decades. >> a lot of people thought i should not be

are less active, but that is not sure if libertarian spirit it's interesting to point out that ross perot did very well for a third-party candidate from that group. quit nuke of the two as well as another person. if you look up to support the democrats have gotten over time, they're getting a significant amount of support compared to moderate. they're actually getting more than they are from populist groups. i find that significant. >> may just add one thing. they have become more correlated over time partisanship and ideology. we measured different ways. the single left right dimension is offering more purchase in explaining public opinion perhaps now than it used to. >> the correlation at heart and ship is it? it does two dimensions, the core values become more correlated. that's what i don't necessarily see happening. >> thank you. my name is bill being. this goes to you -- since we're talking about going forward and the libertarians. you brought the word up a couple of times. the word libertarian up a couple times. you brought the word tea party a period which seems to be percolating,

i hear of ross perot and the giant sucking sound. whenever i read about nafta still, talking about how many jobs we lost because of free trade and because of the north american free-trade agreement. so yesterday i got on the internet and went to the bureau of labor statistics. i looked how many jobs we had in the united states 20 years ago when nafta was enacted. we had about 97 million jobs in the private sector. i looked up how many jobs we have now. we have about 115 million jobs. from 97 million to 115 million. to argue that we have lost jobs your math skills have got to be highly suspicious, even by washington, d.c. standards. certainly we've lost some jobs whenever we trade with other countries just as we do when we introduce new technologies but the overall trend is to have more jobs and better jobs and it is not just in the united states. when we look at countries around the world, countries with the best trade freedom scores, meaning low non-tariff barriers and both tariff barriers and just as a definition, tariff is a tax o

i think of ross perot and "the giant sucking sound." [laughter] whenever i read about nafta, i think about all the jobs we lost because of free trade. i went on the internet and i looked at how many jobs we had in united states 20 years ago and afterwards. we had about 97 million jobs in the private sector. i looked up how many jobs we have now. we have about 115 million jobs. i think to argue that we have lost jobs, your math skills have got to be highly suspicious, even by washington, d.c., standards. we have lost some jobs whenever we trade with other countries just as when we introduce new technologies, but the overall trend has been to have more jobs and better jobs. it is not just in the united states. when we look at countries around the world, countries with the best trade freedom scores -- meaning low tariff barriers --, and just as a definition, a tariff is a tax on imports. the countries that remove those taxes to give freedom to trade, they have lower poverty rates. they have cleaner environments, all the things we hope to h