will be, depending on who is caught so that if the perpetrator is white and male, it will not be thell not think about it in terms of terrorism as if he were muslim. that's just the reality of how we think about terrorism. it becomes the -- >> we call timothy mcveigh a terrorist, don't we? >> we call timothy mcveigh a terrorist, but we do not deal with white men in america the way we've dealt with muslims post-9/11. there is a difference in how we relate to the perpetrator, depending on who they are and where they are from. that matters because it speaks to what i describe as our intimate and contradictory relationship with violence and once you put the "t" word in, once terrorism is defined, i don't think it's just who the individual is, if they are a foreign national -- >> or a group of individuals. >> -- or a group of individuals, it's the way which that person then initially directly connects to our policy. >> do you think that's right with respect to law enforcement, do you think the division between the timothy mcveigh's of the world and muhammads of the world? >> i think that

that this was likely perpetrated by a domestic group. that was my gut reaction not borne out of any knowledge. certainly there was no pre-knowledge of the planning of this by anyone in the intelligence couldn't, otherwise precaution would have been taken and prevented. >> cenk: lindsay, that's an interesting question. a lot of people are talking about today if this was a huge failure in security. the obvious answer seems to be yes given that all the bombs went off, but i'm not sure about that. is there a way of preventing somebody simply walking in with a backpack full of bombs? this happened--there was a case in the state of washington, but luckily the backpack did not go off. how do you prevent this? it's such a big country and this is a 26-mile marathon. what is your reaction to the security here in boston? >> well, i think we're never going to be able to prevent every one of these incidents unfortunately. i know having been in the intelligence community whether or not this is a terrorist attack from foreign nationals or a domestic te

destroy we really know that it was political we really know that to you we trust that's what the perpetrators themselves say ok one is dead in one can't talk william jump in. yes i would assume it was political the older brother who who's who's dead he's made statements make it very clear that he has a great beef with american foreign policy as one example so i knew right away it was political and that's what it is i mean. it can be called terrorism for him go ahead once again and that is why that is why peter i keep repeating this it's very important that we don't look at millions of americans who are muslim in america as suspects and that is why it's very important i agree with macin in principle this week your community hasn't come out it's been known it's very clearly a muslims william going head to head milk. i mean you know. william go ahead jump in no no i agree but that is the feeling that's where this is going to need to that's where it's going now not in a million muslims in america ok maxine stress nonstate actors why why is that so important to you. well just because i'm speaking

destroy we really know that it was political we really know that do you we trust that's what the perpetrators themselves say ok one is dead in one can't talk william jump in. yes i would assume it was political the older brother who who's who's dead he's made statements make it very clear that he has a great beef with american foreign policy as one example so i knew right away it was political and that's what it is. it can be called terrorism for him to head once again and that is why that is why peter i keep repeating this it's very important that we don't look at millions of americans who are muslim in america as suspects and that is why it's very important i agree with macin in principle this week new community hasn't come out it's been known as very clearly on muslims william go ahead go ahead. william go ahead jump in no no i agree but that is the spirit that's where this is going to need to that's where it's going now not in a million muslims in america ok maxine stress nonstate actors why why is that so important to you. well just because i'm speaking from from north america and so for

or perpetrators. i think you just have to take comfort in knowing that as the president said, all the resources available from within the federal government in collaboration with state and local officials will be used to identify the actors. and to that extent, we all join the president in a powerful remembrance of the victims. i know others -- i didn't hear the word terrorism, but one man is entitled to his opinion. and when you cut down innocent people at a public event, in my mind, it's an act of terrorism. >> mr. secretary, thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> meanwhile, we've got george schoville on the phone. george, thanks for calling in. what did you see? >> i didn't really see a whole lot of anything. i was in the lord and taylor department store when the explosions went off. but my brother was running the race. >> and you heard it from inside the store? >> i heard it inside the store and felt the building shake, felt the ground shake. and i looked out the window and just saw people

the perpetrator or perpetrators. he refused to stay if there was one or several that they're looking at. he refused to say domestic or foreign, which is understandable. he doesn't want to say anything that will get in the way of the clearly sensitive investigation. >> without a doubt. there were folks earlier today, there's no question er much more optimism when you talk to people today. there was conflicting information, and we reported some of it here, about people were telling us a federal source told fran townsend, a boston source told me, that arrests had been made. my source would not say that. so clearly, either there was some confusion or misinformation. sometimes that happens in a case like this. but these are sources we've been talking about for a couple days. so there's always a question mark when things like that happen, is there confusion in the ranks, or just somehow miscommunications and misinformation. >> john, don't go too far away. fran, tom, also don't go too far away. much more on the criminal inv

or perpetrators. it was a public event. there were thousands of people there. so, you know, that tells investigators there are people out there who have seen something and may not realize they saw something. they may not have realized those cell phone pictures they took or videos have the perpetrators in it. but that's why they so desperately want to see everything they can to piece together and try and find that suspect. they're looking as it were for the zobruder film. this -- >> sure. >> -- of this bombing. zobruder being the individual who took the footage of the john f. kennedy's assassination. >> michael, one thing, we were looking at the shot back there on the scene of the boston marathon, and there are investigators that are still there combing through some of the debris piles. from what i understand, there has been bomb material recovered. it's going to be sense t to thei labs in quantico. they feel confident with the material that's left behind from these devices that they can reconstruct th

lens they were before but particularly so in light of the bombings and the fact that the presumed perpetrators are muslim. and what i would have what i want to stress from here more generally is that terrorism is politically counter productive and so when when people use terrorism to advance their given political cause it frequently backfires based i mean details are still sketchy about what's going on with with the boston bombing but my understanding at least based on what the perpetrators see. i'm to have sad is that it was done in the name of at least their interpretation of islam but in reality terrorism is detrimental to islam and indeed it's detrimental to the causes professed by any terrorist perpetrators william you want to apply that i wish i wish we could all stick to the subject the whether the fact that this is. a very hard time for muslims in america is totally irrelevant that is not the if you were discussing and whether it's terrorism and question is successful or not or counterproductive is not the issue at all again we're talking about terrorism per se and what it how it was d

the last time there was a bombing whose basic facts, not perpetrator, was the centennial park bombing high security, outdoor sporting event with a huge public presence. the weapon used was a pipe bomb and one person was killed by 111 were injured. james, i guess the question to you was how do you begin trying to track down who did this? obviously, there's a wealth of data presented in those pixels. pete williams talked about getting the fragments of the pressure cooker. where are you going igt rooigt now if you're an investigator? >> chris, the way this work is this investigation is basically an iceberg. the part you see is the small top. the agents and detectives on the ground in boston picking up the fragments of the bomb debris, picking up the bomb components. they're going to the hospital, retrieving component parts from victims, from doctors and they're putting that device together and their going to be able to put that device together. it's going to be able to be put together. like humpty dumpty. >> piece by piece. within 98% of the original, actual device. >> atf and fbi and bo

means they might be closer to identifying the perpetrators, nailing it down.'t want to get ahd of yourself. years later under your stewardship by might point out before they finally found an apprehended the right guy i can understand that, but do you think that is what is in place? in. >> as far as we know, it may be that they feel like if they identified someone that they have of a strong focus on or even that they're talking to it wod tip off people who are related to him or are involved with him in some way. i assume this is a man, but that is probably inappropriate. there is a real danger in making assumptions because assumptions always provide the potential of you excluding other possibilities as long as you are chasing the assumption. what lawnforcement officials, they're doing a great job. especially the people with their feet on the street your coming the area and piece by piece to putting the evidence together. there are times when it is best and in the best interest of public safety not to make disclosures. i would commend the fbi. if it does not hav

. >> pam: ppg and even substation on that cup role >> we believe the perpetrator or perpetrators were familiar with fiber optics they knew where to go and they knew where to cut. they were able to take out critical growing at the pga and station. the costing of the power was desman intentional, so if you like to call that sabotages that's what it is. faugh >> pam: asking people to cut down on their electrical issue because of the incident in santa clara. >> temperatures were significantly warmer this afternoon, including the north bay were 70 in santa rosa.60 aken, kurt 67 down and redwood city a little cooler and the coastline. right nouns still little breezing, i just one acquit this evening. we did see a wind advisory in effect but that expired or around 5:00. so right now we're expecting these winds to die down. we will also see one or conditions all have more on that coming up. >> >> pam: the computer glitch that grounded all planes for hours. and preteens and coarse and courts for assaulting a 15 year-old later took her own life. you kids should count yourselves lucky. we didn't

do we really know that it was political we really know that do we do we trust that's what the perpetrators themselves say ok one is dead in one can't talk william jump in. yes i would assume it was political the older brother who who's who's dead he's made statements make it very clear that he has a great beef american foreign policy as one example so i knew right away it was political and that's what it is. it can be called terrorism for him to head once again and that is why that is why peter i keep repeating this it's very important that we don't look at millions of americans who are muslim in america as suspects and that is why it's very important i agree with macin in principle this week your community hasn't come out it's been known it's very clearly on muslims williams go ahead go ahead will i mean you know what it was william go ahead jump in no no i agree but that is the feeling that's where this is the need to that's where it's going now not in a million muslims in america ok maxine stress non-state actor is why why is that so important to you. well just because i'm speaking from

or perpetrators are from this country or not from this country? geography is as important as their association. if a person is late, for instance, and clearly a part of the international terrorist war on the united states, that makes a difference in how you treat them. very frankly, if a person is conspiracy, you may want to interrogate him in ways that could yield a harvest of information that could assist in saving american lives. neil: what if it is a lone wolf oor lone wolves. >> this person is committing a serious crime, and if it is a serious crime of murder, that is a part of a terrorist plot, happened by a single -- hatched by a single individual, you deal with that this is a different situation from 9/11, where people who perpetrated it extinguished themselves in the crime. as a result we have an opportunity to follow the person and if we can harvest information that is, we related to some kind of conspire as that's is fine, it may not be that situation. but that is a door we should not shut. we should follow evidence. responsibly, i thin

perpetrators, then carry out a death penalty. i hope that is the justice that ends up being carried out. in the meantime, we had a gun bill that was voted down, as i understand 54-46 in the senate. it did not pass. t did not have enough votes. with all of our hearts having poured and continue to have prayers and sympathy -- empathy for the people in sandy hook and newtown, that we still had a bill that was being brought to the senate floor that all of the people who supported the bill that i heard had basically admitted that bill would not life. ved a single one would not have saved teachers, those who were trying to protect he children. and in other parts of the world, new york city or whatever, are going to manipulate and use such empathetic ation, victims, they ought to at least, for goodness sakes, put forward a bill that if it had been implemented would have ensured that at least one of the children or adults killed at sandy hook would not have been killed. together et's put laws -- let's have this administration finally enf

then to motive, a religious or political i am a by the perpetrator.e know that the president and fbi investigators are at this as a terrorist incident. from your experience, when the fbi is actually looking at the profiles, can they at this juncture know for a fact that there is a political or economic or religious motive here? cunning that at this stage? >> i don't think we know it at this stage. we know the device. initially we were told it was a small ied, perhaps like a pipe bomb. which you can get that out of an anarchist's cook book. now we're told it was a pressure cooker filled with explosives. that takes us back to september 1976 when a group of croatian separatists hinged a plane going from new york to chicago to prove they had a bomb on board. they directed the nypd to a locker in grand central that had a similar pressure cooker device. that device unfortunately exploded, killing a bomb tech. we've seen that around a while. we've seen that particular type of device used more from an international perspective where by and large, when we see

and are victims and perpetrates -- perpetrators of violence. they want us to bring up the focus in district 11 on jobs, and after-school programming for high school and middle school students. senior services. and revitalization of the broad randolph street and mission street corridor. district 11 is unique, we have been an under-resourced district and we need more from the city. we are committed and organized and have capacity. we are willing to work with the city to improve our district. and are asking for a meeting with the mayor, and workforce development and other city departments to set a plan of action in place. we want to make district 11 equally inviting and welcoming part of san francisco as other districts are. so i don't want to take up too much time. that's briefly what we are here -- the omic would like to present to the panel today. thank you. rrn fors fo they told me to stand in one place, i am use this mic. before i bring up eric mcdonald from the united way. raise your hands if you have comment cards, we will give you one more

. >> definitely the investigators will be trying to figure out what made the perpetrators tick but now is a psychological component for the victims, and for survivors. some of the runners of the boston marathon they could experience survivor's guilt, right, for bringing family and friends to marathon, for being there, people who ended up getting hurt. tell us a little bit about the survivors and five, six days on from this original event what people are going to be feeling, why some people could get it and why some might not. >> right. what we do know is that people who do have survivors guilt, these are individuals of course who are in reality blameless. it is not their fault that people that they know were hurt or may have been killed. so what we need to do with them is to work with them, debrief them, bring the reality testing, if you will, into the picture to let them know that, in fact, the actions of what happened had nothing to do with them but had to do with the terrorists in this particular case and just getting them, christine, just to talk about it, begins to get them to und

except for three and those three occurred with shooting attacks so we knew the perpetrator immediately. this was the first successful bombing done since 9/11. >> is there anything in here that tells you that this was domestic related? >> well, i mean you kcan go bot ways on it. obviously you know tax day may be a protest but if tax day and you were protesting the government you would want to hit a government facility. my leaning is that considering the person of interest who they picked up and not necessarily guilty i want to add is of foreign origin that this looks like it's leaning toward that direction. >> do you have a sense of how these bombs were coordinated? we're hearing that there were the number floats but there were multiple other unexploded devices that were found? two that we know exploded. you know this is just from a layman's perspective who probably watched too many movies in the past but are there timers involved and would timers tell you something different than something that could be activated with a cell phone? >> first of all every bomb has a signature and there a

payment of $250,000 to doe one for supplying information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator that murdered willie allen. >> okay. thank you. and we have our mayor's damage . >-- budget director. >> good afternoon. the item is for authorization to doe one for providing information leading to the prosecution ultimately guilty plea of the perpetrator of the murder of willie allen. in 2006 mr. allen was murdered. as of 2008 his murderer was still unknown. at that time in 2008 mayor newsom approved awards up to $250,000 for this case and along with additional 15 murder cases. the police department and the da both affirm that the individual who we're requesting receive this award came forward recently and provided information for the arrest of the suspect responsible for the murder and testified in the prosecution in the case and lead to the suspect's ultimate plea and we are supporting this award by the da office. generally of awards of this type the administrative code allows the mayor to authorize the award up to $100,000 and most cases by the mayor and notified to the public an

let's make sure we catch the perpetrator or perpetrators who did this dastardly deed and let the facts drive us to an assumption or the facts. >> now, we know law enforcement said they weren't hearing any chatter on the usual channels that they monitor. but the southern poverty law center wrote a letter to attorney general eric holder warning, that quote, as in the period before the oklahoma city bombing, we are now seeing ominous threats from those who believe that the government is poised to take their guns. is this something you had heard anything about as a member of this committee? >> well, we have. we have had hearings that talk about both international terrorists as well as domestic terrorists. there are over 1,000 organizations identified here in this country with some domestic terrorist nexus so it's an issue. as to whether or not it develops here in boston remains to be seen but all of the systems focused on trying to identify who the party or parties involved in this dastardly act. >> congressman benny thompson, thanks so much for being with us today. now i want to bring in

not so much the race of the perpetrator although that is affected by the race of the victim. we find that poverty, we find all the people on death will have one of three things and come. abject poverty, victims of child abuse, little or no education. and you ask yourself, that's not an excuse. that's not a defense. but to some extent my we be executing them because of the sense of the parents? it gives me some pause. also another problem is they are all broke. they have no money. they don't have good lawyers. sometimes, in some soda case, the quality of legal representation is superb, and into many of them it's absurd. people are since to die not because they committed the worst crimes but rather because they have the worst lawyers. and we see that over and over again. these arbitrary factors figure in the sugar no bearing on them at all but they do have a profound bearing. >> guest: the longtime warden at san quentin together 90 people, 88 men, two women. he said i never executed a rich person. >> guest: the question still is not that are theoretically if you could do any ra

the city of watertown and many other communities can breathe a sigh of relief knowing that two perpetratorshat caused so much pain and anguish are no longer a threat to our safety and to our communities. >> that relief is not shared by the suspect's parents. >> this morning they are coming to term with their grief and anguish and they appear to be in denial about what their sons may have done. >> both men went to the school in dagestan. are you hearing anything new from the family this morning? >> reporter: we have heard nothing from the family. i should excuse the background noise. they spent months here last summer assisting his father who lives behind me here, and they did work refurbishing apartments. the family is in complete shock. >> there has bench reaction to the bombing here. what is the reaction in dagestan? >> reporter: certainly people are trying to piece together how long they spent here. russian officials saying the sisters and the younger brother who are in custody now were only here five months. and the records we have seen shown they were in kazakhstan, and going to school

payment of $250,000 to doe one for supplying information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator that murdered willie allen. >> okay. thank you. and we have our mayor's damage . >-- budget director. >> good afternoon. the item is for authorization to doe one for providing information leading to the prosecution ultimately guilty plea of the perpetrator of the murder of willie allen. in 2006 mr. allen was murdered. as of 2008 his murderer was still unknown. at that time in 2008 mayor newsom approved awards up to $250,000 for this case and along with additional 15 murder cases. the police department and the da both affirm that

he survived the persecution perpetrated in his country by the soviet union.scu could not survive the epidemic of gun violence in this country, the country that he adopted and loved. mr. president, i've often asked myself in conclusion -- and i would encourage all of us to just take a minute: senators, staff, pages, members in the gallery, members of the press; take a minute and ask yourself would you do what liviu librescu did? would you put your body against a door and allow yourself to be shot, and encourage others to be safe? would you do that? would we do that? and, mr. president, as i thought about that question, being honest, i would say i hope i would do that. i pray if it comes to that that i would act to protect others ahead of myself. but if i'm honest with myself, what i have to say is i don't know whether i would do that. i don't know whether i would be a hero like liviu librescu. i don't know if i would have the courage to do what liviu librescu did. but, mr. president, here is the good news for those of us who have the honor and the blessing to

however the perpetrates of this act hoped to shake the confidence of a city, they only strengthened the resolve of the nation this became apparent immediately as first responders ran toward unknown dangers. these amazing americans, some of whom charged through fences and barricades, put their own lives on the line to help others. we are so thankful for these women and men who on a daily basis sacrifice for our nation. they are our friends, our family, our neighbors. join me in praying for them and the victims of this tragedy, the victims' families and their support system, to those who uld attack america and our citizens, let me say this. there is no corner on earth, no hiding place in america, that will keep us from finding you. the leaders of this country will do everything in our power to bring justice for the family and communities impacted. our freedom is our most precious possession. any effort to take it away will only strengthen our determination because the greatness of america is not seen in times of prosperity but crystallized by how we respond to challenges wetch will stand

. >> it's the one place where you have the perpetrator, the victim, and the witnesses, the kids. hearing the message that it's wrong, that god loves you, we're here to support you, you don't have to put up with it. >> men can also be victims of domestic abuse. often in same-sex relationships. but that number is small compared to women. and domestic violence can be other than physical. >> emotional or psychological violence is much more difficult to detect. it's also more frequent. the belittling, demeaning, the insults. all the ways in which the woman is isolated from her family and friends. >> that was the case with elia and roman carrion, the first 20 years were marked by periods of emotional trauma. >> the verbal abuse. the silent treatment. the humiliation of the words. he would -- he will call me names. he will call me crazy. he would, like, every time i bring up about counseling, he would say, no, you go to counseling, you're the one that's crazy. >> to me i was a nice man. that's what i thought about me. i never hit anybody, so i wasn't doing anything wrong. i was just doi

, which i dealt with last week, are perpetrators and aggressors, so i wanted to work on that so i'm working with kids and with aspergers and autism and one thing that struck me is we need to be able on the flip side, so i'm now writing to kids when you are the one that has more of a thick skin, whatever you want to call it, how do you interact with kids who are more sensitive? just how do you do that? how do you recognize the signs when you're around somebody that does calibrate and has a different definition and what bothers them and what doesn't and if we can do that and i'm asking autistic kids and asperger's kids and normal kids and what are the things that trigger these things and what can we do and i want you to know what i am doing right now and i am working with boys and i finished the porn section and honest i'm doing all of it and why do girls send naked pictures and this week we're creating concrete strategies and scenarios so they can picture what to do when they are up either way against these dynamics and if we work together this way and really name it. sometimes kids with asp