perry, rick perry, governor of texas, hot guy now. michele bachmann just won the first campaign event. the ames straw poll, and, of course, romney, front-runner in all the polls. one of the see there not a tea party person? >> there's a great influence by the tea party. remember, the tea party disaffected republicans, folks outside the party going back to the last days of bush. so now they've come back in with a strong message. the party's adopted that message. everyone wants to say they're one in the same. they are not. remember, these are the same folk whose would take out a republican in a primary assume -- >> i'm not reading it clearly. can romney still claim to be a tea party person? >> i think he can. in his romney-esque way, yeah. >> a position he's taken on in the tea party, he hasn't. >> we went through the neck decklogue, ten commandments they believed in, he signed on to pretty much all of them. >> yes, exactly. of course. >> and tea party, lose his job, anyway, thank you. >>> up next, warren buffett says tax the rich. he's

perry is all about. although they're getting a lot of help with the way this guy's talking as of late. perry has not done a very good job in texas. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, will rick perry be the gop presidential nominee in 2012? text a for yes b for no. you can go to our blog at msnbc.com. i'll bring you results later on in the show. >>> joining me now is jim moore, author of the upcoming book, adios, mofo. why rick perry will make america miss george w. bush. he's also a contributor to the huffington post. i think our audience and the country may be intrigued about the bad blood between rove and rick perry. how bad a blood is it? and if perry does get the nomination, what would that do to rove's position? your thoughts. >> i think ed right now, what carl's trying to do is to destroy rick perry. he knows that if rick perry is the nominee, he's not going to be playing on the big football field. he's firing shots at him from the sidelines, hoping to dera

he has to take on perry.the same time his strength is his electability and when you look at president obama's poll numbers falling high 30's, federal reserve saying we're going to keep easing money going for a while and unemployment is probably going to be around where it is 15 months from now on election day. wow, maybe electability is the not enough to go with romney. >> paul: anyone who gets it is going to get the nomination. is it going to come down if the field is it is, bacmitan and perry, who is the main challenger to romney. >> i think you could get another challenger. >> paul: let's say-- >> assuming no one else gets in, i think that's basically your contest, for the but onservative, your basic republican primary voter is not comfortable with romney so that's the opener here. >> why is he the front runner? >> because he's got the name and he's been there, he's put a lot of money into it, he's got a lot of endorsements and better than anyone, he's gone around the country and built relationships with r

going right at perry's weak spot.all his attributes, governor perry's already shown us the path towards taking him on. >> susan page, i'm hearing plenty of nervousness about perry, and yesterday we heard karl rove kind of voice, not necessarily nervousness about perry, they're not close, but nerveness about the direction of the republican primary. here's what he had to say. >> you don't want these moving so right it becomes impossible to win the general election because it will become a self-defeating message in the primary. they don't want to you go so far extremes of either party they lack a chance to carry off a victory in november. >> susan page, this is the concern. you hear this quietly among republicans thinking, while i'm not nuts about mitt romney, rick perry isn't necessarily the answer either. >> you know, when you think about karl rove, you have to remember between rick perry and george w. bush and consider rove's comments in that context. of course, it's a problem when all the candidates raise their hand

that approximate big black cloud that hangs over america. >> that black cloud perry -- perry makes bush look like a moderate. he thinks that social security and medicare are unconstitutional. he doesn't like the 16th or the 17th amendment, and he suggested texas might want to see seed from the union. radical rock star ted nugent wore a confederate flag t-shirt at his inauguration. perry wants to bury those steers and he wants to bury them by pushing how great texas is. >> i'm proud what we've done in the state of texas over the last decade. over half of the jobs created in america during periods of time in that decade was in the state of texas. 40% of all of the jobs created in america from june of 2009 to the present were created in texas. i know how to create jobs. you let the private sector free them up from overtax nation, free them overregulation and late gags and the government get out of the pay and let the private sector do what the private sector know how to do. that's what we need to be all about. >> perry's right. he knows how to create jobs. really bad jobs. according to the

we'll show you what rove said about perry in a minute, but first, here's what perry said at a meet and greet session with voters in cedar rapids, iowa, last night when he was asked about the federal reserve. >> oh, the federal reserve, i'll take a pass on the federal reserve right at the moment to be real honest with you. i know there's a lot of talk and what have you about them. if this guy prints more money, between now and -- i don't know what you'd do to them in iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in texas. i mean, printing more money to play politics at this particular time in american history is almost treasonist in my opinion, because all it's going to be doing, all it's going to be doing. we already tried this. all it's going to be doing is devaluing the dollar in your pocket. >> all right. well, there are a lot of ways to unpack that. the first is that this is a built of ideological signaling in the farthest reaches of the right wing of the republican party, those who want us to return to the 19th century and gold standard. secondly, an interesting glimpse of what ki

what do they see in this guy perry who to most of us is just a word, rick perry. >> i metric perry, i've seen him in action, he's great for texas. i don't know if he's going to play nationally. fist of all, we had george bush. most people still blame george bush for the economy, not barack obama. number two, rick perry hasn't answered questions nationally and is going to try to run away from the national press corps, i don't know if he can do it. there are questions about his record people haven't explored. some people, especially the bush people, think that rick perry is shallow. they say he's only in for the sound bites. you know, when proponents of george bush -- chris: when supporters of george w. bush accuse perry of being shallow, we've hit the mother load. >> i think democrats and the cast of "saturday night live" want to see perry as the nominee. chris: and a lot of focus on that guy. six months from now, david you pick this up here, who is going to be the hot hand in the republican fight? who will be the big name out of iowa? >> the big noise officially will be rick perry and th

more insight rick perry. buddies with fellow anti-union governor from wisconsin, scott walker. check this out, back in february perry cut a youtube video supporting radical agenda in attack of work men and women in wisconsin. take a look at how bad a political prognosticator rick perry is. >> you've got 13, 14 senators who instead of reporting the democratic process, they run off and somehow or another think that's going to be a productive. i don't think it is. i think that people -- they look at this like you know like the kid who takes his ball and goes home. i can't win. i can't play. then you know nobody else is going to. that is immature, it's juvenile, and at the end of the day, i'll bet you the folks of wisconsin, they punish those senators rather than heralding them as heroes. >> really? perry cropped out on that bet big time, didn't he? not a single member of the wisconsin 14 team was recalled this summer. still employed by the people and the only senators p s punished two republicans. if perry paid

. >> rick perry removes all doubt. perry's in. >> one of our darkest hours. >> sarah palin rushes to iowa. >> never fear, america, sarah palin has come. >> predictably sarah palin is back. >>tops of cameras and sarah palin showing up. that's so strange. >> heart land fights. >> tired of the inaviativasion privacy. >> this guy is nuts. i can call this napkin a paper towel, but it is a napkin. >> barack obama a one-term president. >> you got to love retail politics. >> the president blames congress. >> the only thing keeping us back is our politics. >> rooting for the president. >> what can the president do? >> extend the payroll tax cut. call people back early. >> people of the united states of america, your congress is bought. >>> good evening from new york. the top eight declared republican presidential candidates are in debate for saturday's ames straw poll. but texas governor rick perry is now doing all he can to divert attention from iowa. he allowed his spokesperson today to tell the associated press that perry wi

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it is rick perry. >> rick perry has the evangelical support, conservative support. experience as a tax lawyer and congresswoman. he has experience for 26 years. >> 26 years in office. >> of course, the downside of that is that he has 26 years of consecutive office. unlike mitt romney, he can't say he has run a real business. and that is a very strong narrative right now, especially this year. >> steve king was pretty offended rick perry announced today. he said why not on friday or sunday. this is iowa. we do know iowa republicans are offended that rick perry stepped on this a little bit. >> there are. and this is the organizational strength that builds the caucus. it is basically 10% of the caucus. >> and a big fund-raiser for the party. >> that said, when you talk to others in the party, i think that if rick perry builds momentum and looks like a real serious candidate against barack obama, they will forgive very quickly. >> rick perry now says he'll make iowa -- he is putting equal focus on the early stage. pressure on mitt romney to play in iowa now? >> i think

karl rove takes a shot at perry. is the bush administration trying to undermine a perry candidacy? james rosen has the scoop. later, president obama promises to reveal his jobs plan. but not until after vacation up in martha's vineyard. are americans getting frustrated with the president on this type of issue? coming up. >> laura: in the impact segment tonight, as we just mentioned, governor rick perry under fire from president obama and his supporters but some people are speculating that there may be some tension between mr. perry and former president george w. bush. i know from the perspective from the former president that he has a cordial personal friendship two decades with the governor. i think that's true for the governor, too. why he falls in this pattern of sounding like he is being dismissive of the former president is not smart politics. >> sounds like he has been ungrateful to the bushes. >> well, you know, it sounds like that and, yet, you know, bush moved heaven and earth he likes bic perry. i talk it up to he is on the stage for the first time. >> laura: are bush loy

, rick perry?you bet. hey, we're from west texas. absolute. >> those cowboy boots actually go into stirrups, occasionally. unlike the first w. who was scared to death of horses as we know. this is really for both of you guys. wayne, you can start. rick perry would seem to have some real deficits when it comes to policy ideas. he wants to do away with social security. thinks it's unconstitutional. apparently wants to do away with the federal income tax. which provides 80% of federal income. how is this a winning platform for a presidential candidate from any party? >> you know, it's interesting. you pointed out his book. when that book came out less than a year ago, perry said, this is evidence that i am not going to run for president because anybody who wanted to run for president wouldn't be saying social security is a ponzi scheme. we ought to change medicare. medicaid is bad. the voting rights act has questions about it. the fed is a problem and we ought to get rid of the income tax and all the

we want you to vote for rick perry too. but not their rick perry, our rick perry.on august 13th write in rick perry, that's perry with an as q as for america, with an "a" for iowa,-- that's right. (cheers and applause) i'll join you. i'll join you. folks, i want every one in the iowa nation to go to the ames straw poll this saturday, going to be a beautiful day. there's food, there's booze. and write in rick perry with an "a" why "a" because there's no "e" in team. and this evening-- (laughter) >> and this evening at 1700 hours we struck again with our second ad in the greater des moines metropolitan area. jimmy? >> iowa, a land of good people who can make up their own minds. but outside groups like jobs for iowa superpac are trying to pander to iowans with pro perry ads featuring cheap cornography. >> just so you will vote for rick perry at the ames straw poll. >> but americans for a better tomorrow tomorrow believe that iowans deserve better. and we're going to give it to you. >> oh way. on august 13th. write in rick perry. that's perry with an a for america, wit

months. >> we know rick perry is michele bachmann's new challenger, but what do we know about rick perry? >> people are trying to figure out who exactly is rick perry. >> people are disconcerted about the religiousness of his campaign. >> no interest in running for president. >> his big idea is almost everything the federal government does is unconstitutional. what he said was social security is a ponzi scheme. >> he's got to go out there and beat somebody in iowa. >> rick perry mitt romney's worst nightmare? >> mitt romney is campaigning in new hampshire. >> go up to new hampshire and knock off mitt romney. >> might as well with legos. >> i'm a real person. >> for bachmann it's all about iowa, iowa, iowa. >> waterloo, waterloo, waterloo. >> they have good hair. >> he's an attractive candidate. >> last word favorite tim pawlenty is out, lawrence o'donnell responds. >> pawlenty's out. >> i'm from a small state. >> it was time to bow out. >> i tried to read tim pawlenty's book, it was one of the worst experiences of my life. >> and president obama gets a boost from a billionaire class trad

all those things are present in rick perry and not as pretty in mitt romney and they give perry a real advantage going into the race. chris: can you see this kind of hard right candidacy cock sure about i know the truth and i know the enemy, that's the president. can that run over the middle of the road over mitt romney? >> my first instinct is to say yeah, i think it can. can he beat romney? maybe. he might be able to. but i think what in the end will save mitt romney is that at the end of the day, republicans are going to have to be thinking about the general election and when i talk to people at the white house and the candidate they are still most worried about is mitt romney. chris: here we are, the tea party seems to be setting the terms. the language is tea party. don't believe in evolution or climate change. all the language will be harmed for romney to speak. >> it's political fizz six. when will the extreme is so far to -- physics. when the extreme is so far to one side it moves the middle as well. what you're going to have -- your analogy i think is not flawed. but the perso

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let's talk about rick perry. he gave a strong speech today. big theme of jobs, unemployment, talked about black unemployment, hispanic unemployment. really reached for an economic message. you know, hammered the president on both the economy and foreign policy. was talking texan. he was as deep south and texan as he could be. has evangelical support k. he put together a real campaign? >> oh, i think he can. and i think that the texas creating more jobs than any other state in the union, we're going to hear that over and over again. i think he's going to be coming right at michele bachmann in sort of that 2/3 of the republican party that's more conservative. i think he's coming right at her. she's going to be more social. he's going to be a little bit more economic. a lot of spillover. i think they're competing for the same sort of bandwidth in this campaign. >> when we talk about rick perry and mitt romney, what is the divide that you see now in the republican party between, you know, the perry candidacy, the rom

perry, perry, perry, perry! >> thank you. you know, it's time for america to believe again. it's time to believe that the promise of our future is far greater than every our best days behind us. it's time to believe again in the potential of private enterprise, set free from the shackles of overbearing federal government and it's time to truly restore our standing in the world and renew our faith and freedom as the best hope for peace in this world that's beset with strive. the change we seek will never emanate out of washington d.c. it will come from the wind swept prairies of middle america, the farms and the factories across this great land, from the hearts and the minds of the good hearted americans who will accept not a future that is less than our past. patriots, patriots who will not be con signed to a fate of less freedom in exchange for more government. [applause]. we do know the have to accept our current circumstances, we will change them. we are americans. [applaus [applause] >> that's what we do. we roll up our sleeves, we go to work. we fix things. we stand up

now and perry had criticized this lobbyist. now that lobbyist is raising money for perry.ledged to raise up to $500,000 for him and privately telling people he's trying to and has arranged a meeting with president musharraf from pakistan. so there's fundraisers who are worried they had to move so fast, in that process, you get sloppy and controversy and the last thing they want with controversy is what's a pretty smooth rollout for perry. >> a look inside the politico playbook. thanks so much as always. >> have a good day. >> coming up, a nascar rivalry at its finest. this one will not be settled on the track. listen to this -- >> you won't even fight me like a man after, so if someone texts me his address, i'll go see him wednesday at his house and show him what he needs. he needs a whipping. >> there you go. sports next. confidence, with depend in color. now available in gray. looks and fits like underwear. same great protection. depend. good morning. great day. aflac! oh, i've just got major medical... major medical. ...but it helps pay the doctors. pays the doctors, bo

>> perry, perry's conservative enough to win.nk biggest challenge is going to be not only authenticity but it's going to be is he an echo of the last election. george bush, texas, same kind you have ideology. same texas boots and we lost. is he a sequel to the movie that nobody went to see last time? he's got to distinguish himself from that. >> ron paul was second. does he stand a chance? he's very popular here. you can't walk an inch without seeing a bumper sticker, a button, something, a t-shirt, a tattoo of him. but does he stand a chance? >> and sometimes the most intense campaigns are the least successful. george mcgovern, barry goldwater. he doesn't travel. he doesn't appeal to anything beyond a very narrow base. but it's funny. he's become almost an elder statesman. a lot of things he said about the economy and sound money, now everybody's saying. >> saying the same thing. so as we go before beat go to break here, that's your final advice for everyone? i'm going to let you put a stamp on it, if you will. >> the race is do

rick perry is interesting. the race and he immediately starts shooling from the lip which is what the previous governor of texas who ran for president used to do. >> it worked for him. >> it did work for him. by the time people got to know him a little bit better and see him after eight years, i don't think it worked so well for him. the beauty for the obama campaign the you close your eyes and listen rick perry sounds just like george bush. which will make it easier for the president to transition back to what it was happened last time a republican governor from texas was elected president. >> michele bachmann was in south carolina. we understand she launched her appearance there today by saying let's all say happy birthday to elvis presley today. it's the 34th anniversary of his death, not his birthday. but who's counting in south carolina and elsewhere all the elvis fans would take note. >> she's not above a gaffe every now and then. she said over the weekend that she had a family reunion to get to. and she

race for president is texas governor rick perry, but perry is already getting compared to predecessor, texas governor george w bush and perry seems to be channeling bush. look at these side besides. >> you know, this annual meeting has truly become an incubator. that's what i call it. man, it hatches some great ideas. it's an incubator for good ideas. >> we need to unleash the america.ector incc1: >> i see a great day coming for america. >> even though perry looks like he is working hard to imitate bush, he is actually more authentic. he is a true believing deep south conservative compared to blood bush who sometimes seemed to be playing a part. listen to this bite to how bush slips in the word desert. >> i think, see as i remember, i was raised in the desert, but see1: a tide y tocc turn. >> some folks look at me and see a sort of swagger which in texas walking.cc1: chris: well, of course, that dones mess with texas was swagger for another bush caricature, will farrell. he had an hbo special lampooning bush's texas image. bush is telling a story about aving his brothers and dadcc1: i

also, perry's being perry. in the past 24 hours rick perry has said president obama is the biggest threat to the country. that the federal reserve's policy is is "almost treasonist" or treasonist in my opinion, and also suggested fed chairman ben bernanke would get ugly treatment down in texas. this is why they love him on the right and why the white house might love to run against him. the case tonight against perry. >>> plus, when even karl rove worries that the republican party has gone too far, too far right, you know it's gone too far right. he's longing, he is, for someone to jump in and save the gop from itself. any chance? there's word today paul ryan and chris christie may yet reconsider running. we'll ask the "hardball" strategists tonight. >>> plus, maybe the best story of the day. tea tax. at least two congress mist, believe it or not including paul ryan decided if their constituents want to ask them questions, they should pay for the privilege. that's one way for a brave tea party type to avoid tou

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perry? >> that will happen. no.hter] the reality... >> jon: answer this question as you would have when you were still rnc chair. i just want to hear the difference. just for a little bit, the difference. [applause] >> as rnc chairman i would have said, yeah, in someone else's lifetime. >> jon: okay. >> i mean, that's the truth of the matter. everyone knows and the history is welcome toed of the stress and strain between the bush-rove camp and the perry camp, even though bush encouraged then- democrat perry to switch parties. but it was matter of once he did, that once he got into camp, he's like, i got my own thing, i'm doing my own thing. that's true with a lot of these folks. and i think the reality is the party is changing and it's been changing going back not to the last two years or so, back to 2005, 2004 it's been changing. >> jon: back to the 1850s. >> back to the 1850s. >> jon: moves in a very different direction. >> very different party. then it was more about individuals. today it's more about institution

no relation perry? >> the clips you played at the beginning of the broadcast tells you everything you need to know. this is a guy, when he's put under the spotlight, doesn't back up, he's always done that. when he's accused -- and he's still under the investigation of executing an innocent man, he disbanded the forensic science commission trying to find out if it was true or not. that was an audacious move. he's not above saying that the opponent he's running against is responsible for the deaths of police officers because he's operating a sanctuary city. the guy is responsible for audacious politics. these are serious times, that said, for those that are political junkies, it's time to get your popcorn out, he's going to be entertainment to watch. >> max strama, i appreciate it, keep representing them well. >> thank you. >> thanks for joining us. >>> coming up, no jobs, no pekts, no ability to pay back the student loans? >>> and why democrats shouldn't be rooting for the weakest republican candidate. t

rick perry's biggest problem in getting the republican nomination is rick perry. for goldwater. it's rick perry's race to lose. go take a cold shower. i say once a week as a matter of principles in terms of politics. is this true? talking about rick perry, mitt romney seems like the lost guy here for a minute. is this still his race to lose? >> out there saying, hey, guys. i'm here. i can hear you. you're talking about me. >> i'm right here. >> exactly. there are some people who -- but romney has run before. i think because of that there are a lot of skeptics about some of the things he did last time. trying very hard not to replay the same mistakes. yeah, it is mitt romney's race to lose. >> rick perry is clearly coming up on the rail. >> he's going right after romney. he isn't beating around the bush at all. >> if rick perry was running ghent a mitt romney of 2008, this would be rick perry's race. amazing, how disciplined mitt romney has been so far. >> yes. >> focus, he stays on. doesn't leave message and is better on the stump than last time. it's a really --

perry takes care of that. there are things to criticize about perry.ize him with an incredible passion and anger that george bush inspired and perry does, too. >> it helps him in the republican primary. there's nothing that lays a finger on him in the eyes of republican primary voters. so, this animosity and this belief that the size, the cost and the roll of the federal government is out of whack, you know, transcends things as a governor he may have accepted. >> reverend sharpton? >> i think she's right, the primary's don't hurt him. he would energize the democratic base and a lot of independents like no other candidate. he openly supported, at one point, succeeding from the union, preaching state's rights. it not only bothers those in civil rights but immigration rights and gay rights should not be decide id state-by-state. you couldn't have had a better candidate to energize the base than rick perry. i hope he does win the primaries and i hope he is there as the candidate. >> how would he be for liberal radio talk show host? >> we would need to kee

perry has been great for the truth-o-meter. i think 69 fact checks of him with our partners the at politifact texas. we've got a lot more to do now. >> well, people ought to dig in and download the app, politifact, you have a lot of work to do, the presidential race and president obama's town hauls, i expect no august vacation for you, bill. >> thanks, chuck. >>> coming up, how does mitt romney convince the tea party he can relate to them if he's not one of them? first, it's the white house soup of the day. everybody has been pushing out here to have soups of the day related to illinois or iowa. sorry folks, no corn chowder today, roasted red pepper and tomato, a fancy name for tomato soup. have i got a surprise for you! a mouthwatering combination of ingredients... i know you're gonna love. [ barks ] yes, it's new beneful healthy fiesta. made with wholesome grains, real chicken, even accents of tomato and avocado. yeah! come on! [ barking ] gotta love the protein for muscles-- whoo-hoo! and omega-rich nutrition for that shiny