the harding administration and was involved in selling contract goods at a higher price that perry bill depot to his friends went to jail and that's kind of you know the v.a.'s over in a store that's the eighty's opening acts from what they never really fully recovered and so when they elevated v.a. to a cabinet department in 1988 the thought process was well this will bring more accountability you know the secretary will have direct access to the president they'll be more awareness but unfortunately i think what we see is as a policy issue in this kind of transitions into what you guys are talking about with afghanistan we have a civilian military divide people think the v.a. is somebody else's problem i support the troops but i'm not going to get really invest. and in this and so politically i mean people don't often win elections on whether they're supporting veterans' benefits everybody says they support veterans they don't necessarily want to do the hard work of holding the department that cares for them accountable and in the meantime it's going to continue to be a problem because again