>> so you can play the drums and watch perry mason at noon at the same time. sounds good to me. ladies and gentlemen, mr. joseph hsu. [ringing bells] [applause] >> joseph hsu, ladies and gentlemen. joseph hsu. now, all those six men are competing against this man, ladies and gentlemen. we left him for last simply because he was the 46th annual cable car bell ringing champion. ladies and gentlemen, he's been with muni for nine years, eight years on the cable car. let's hear it for two-time winner mr. leonard oates. [applause] go -- good to see you, leonard. up got the gloves on. i see you are ready. you and i have a city in common. where were you born? >> new orleans, louisiana. >> new orleans, louisiana the yeah, let's hear it for the 504. how do you prepare for this whole darn thing here? >> practice. >> ok. that will get you to broadway but here you are in union square. ladies and gentlemen, two-time winner, mr. leonard oates. >> this is what i do every day. [ringing bells] >> leonard oates, ladies and gentlemen, reigning two-time champion mr. leonard oates. that completes the

. >> professor farley, you talk about the perry mason impact, the perry mason effect of trials, casesike this. what do you mean? >> the culture of the courtroom. back in the '50s and '60s we had perry mason, and everyone was transfixed with courtroom procedure. since then we've had similar courtroom shows, so we love this. the mystery, the uncertainty, the solving, the what's behind the curtain. so that all transferred into the casey anthony trial. i would like to say something going back a moment ago about why everyone is so shocked about this thing. i think at the center of this is a child, and americans don't like the murder of an innocent child who then gets thrown into the bush. we want the perpetrator for such a heinous thing, and nothing makes us madder in this country than that. so i think the fact that we didn't get the perpetrator is leading to part of the psychological arousal nationwide over this. >> appreciate your insights tonight. a dramatic case. we'll continue our coverage in the hour ahead. much more to come on this case. the reason behind president obama's unschedul

a lot of us grew up watching "perry mason." you don't see those kinds of movies now it seems to be almost seasonal that you have, you know, either positive or negative portrayals. but it seems to follow a certain cycle. we have so many shows on tv now about, you know, police and law enforcement. i think we have, what, maybe three different "c.s.i. i "series now, "law & order" parts one, two, and three. what do you think counts for the portrayal of our justice system and how it shifts over time? and also if you've seen in terms of what writers have done or haven't done. >> you know, i was -- when i was listening to mr. serra, i was thinking, you know, actually the law is this huge thing. and there are parts of it that work really well. and when i started out, i was a young lawyer at a large wall street law firm. and believe it or not, we did really good work. and since we typically litigate against or are involved with other large corporate law firms, the other people did railly good work. and since we were typically in federal

changed because we've all seen too many crimes -- too many csi shows and people are used to that perry masonnow more currently the dna and the hard evidence? >> a lot of lawyers trying cases every day in courtrooms in america will talk about what they call the csi effect that there's a superburden placed on prosecutors now that the jurors do want this overwhelming evidence, forensic evidence that they want that smoking gun in terms of dna or fingerprints or forensics. oftentimes it's not there. as you point out, andrea, sometimes there have been convictions in high profile cases with just as many questions. scott peterson is on death row in california in a case that had roebl just as many questions about how exactly his wife lacy peterson died. there have been convictions where the body was never found on first degree murder. every jury is different and you can never guess. it's a fool's game to guess what a jury will do inside a courtroom. >> that's what makes your beat so fascinating. thank you so much. great to see you. jeff ashton will be on tomorrow morning at sock with chris jansing. w

i'm struck to the story there was perry mason about mit that work on personalization.he called it, but if children ferdinand developed lido was exactly an explicit you say what you like, and people hated hearing when they made explicit choices they hated hearing it was predictable because of the likes to believe that eclectic music. and they would see if you like metallica you may like flyer so how could you predict -- when the perception came along which is the company amazon -- no one was ever asked explicitly to opt into the system and have the cognitive dissident. >> guest: that's right, the people are willing to be shown things they might like but they don't like being told that you're going to like -- >> host: so you say bring the cognitive dissidence back. at least tell people this is how the sausages made if you don't like it -- >> guest: right. and what that does then the argument, the other argument again and again with engineers is they say people aren't really demanding this to the different services that you want, and were the algorithm to be changed in a

. >> think about the prosecutor in the perry mason series. he confessed error. i mean, there would be no novels, nothing. >> sometimes the courts i think in the tort area follow the letter that the supreme court issued but not the spirit. and one of my favorites was in a court in texas in the panhandle they have some real good places if you're a plaintiff's lawyer to make a living and the court has said the highlight line for punitive damages is $9 in punitives for every $1 of actual or compensatory damages. so a person who never earned more than maybe $8,000 a year got $100 million compensatory award and then $900 million in punitives, $1 billion. well, we followed the supreme court, 9-1. that's what i've seen with letter and spirit. so they don't defy. they figure out, how do we comply, and just forget the reasoning behind the opinion. >> well, we have come approximately to the end of the hour and we will turn it over to our journalist friends. first, i'd like to thank our legal experts here who rendered their various decisions on the decisions of the supreme

. >> think about the prosecutor in the perry mason series that he confessed error. there would be no novels, no nothing. [laughter] >> sometimes the courts and the car in the tory area and follow the latter in the supreme court issued but not the spirit, and one of my favorites was in the plaintiffs' court in texas they have some good places to make a living and the court had said the highlight line for punitive damage is $9 of the punitive for every 1 dollar a factual or compensatory damages. so a person who never earned more than maybe a thousand dollars a year of $100 million compensatory award and 900 million in the putative, a billion dollars will recycle the supreme court mine-1, so that's -- what i have seen with stewart, so they don't define, the figure out how we comply and just get the reasoning behind the opinion. >> we've come approximately to the end of the hour and will turn to our journalist friends but first i would like to thank our legal experts who have rendered their decisions on the decisions of the supreme court and please, join me in expressin

. >> think about the possibility prosecutor in the "perry mason" series. if they confessed error, there would be no series. [laughter] >> one of my favorites was in a pro-plaintiff court in texas, in the panhandle, there are some good places if you are a plaintiff's lawyer to make a living, and the court said the highlight line for punitive damages it is $9 of punitive for actually -- for every $1 of actual or compensatory damages. so, a person that never earned more than $8,000 a year got a $100 million compensatory award, and a $900 million punitive award, so well, we follow the supreme court. they do not d five. the figure out how to comply, and get the reasoning behind the opinion. >> we have, approximately to the end of the hour, and we will turn it over to our journalist friends. i would like to sink our legal experts to of rendered their decisions, and please join me in expressing our appreciation to the panel. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> while everyon

. >> osgood: katy perry puts on her own kind of fireworks display and just on the fourth of july. anthony mason this morning will show us you what we mean. ♪. >> reporter: after five number one songs, will pop singer katy perry finally get some respect? do you think there are people who don't take you seriously enough yet. >> come on. i've got a whipped cream bra. >> reporter: she scored the biggest smash of last summer. later on sunday morning, can california girl katy perry do it again? >> osgood: some people will do almost anything just for kicks. just ask our bill geist. >> reporter: howdy, partners. are you in the market for a horse that is impossible to ride? even if you're not.... >> another four-year-old. hot diggity dog. look here. >> reporter: come along on if shopping spree to miles city montana and the bucking horse sale later on sunday morning. it's wet and wild. >> osgood: dean reynolds remembers gangster al capone. david edelstein reviews a pair of summer movies and steve hartman shows us a conductor who really knows how to strike up a band. first the headlines for this sunday mo

mason -- >> judge belvin perry taking four charges of lying to police seriously.e have david mattingly at the courthouse in orlando, jeffrey toobin in new york and on his way into the studio, holly hughes. david, we'll start with you. looks like end of july, possibly some time in august. casey anthony will walk free. >> reporter: that's right. casey anthony is not free, not yet. the judge did throw the book at her but because these are misdemeanor charges it wasn't a very big book. she's getting the maximum four years in jail, a $4,000 fine, $1,000 for each of the counts. the judge is now waiting on a legal calculation of the time she has served so far and the credit she gets for good behavior to determine how much of that four years will be shaved off. we're obviously not looking at years. we're not looking probably at months, but probably something less than that. again, within the hour, we should know exactly how little casey anthony has left behind bars. when she gets out, we are also finding out today that the state will definitely pursue getting some sort of