xd perry mason, the first thing i did, perry mason "the case of the treacherous toupee."t to start somewhere. >> rose: you need a job at some point. >> it was unbelievable, though. we shot in mexico and he closed -- he closed himself off from all those distractions. his long time personal secretary was the only person who sort of knew how to get him and sundance and all the other work. and i know heÑi said that he's going to come down there and we'll go on this thing. and i think you seemed invigorated and relieved by that he would just come on the set not worrying about all the things he haded to do as a director. >> there are times when i go up to u.s. tout get out of the mading crowd and get piece and kwai yet i can process stuff and i usually get on a horse and go for a long ride because the trail there is, there are no roads and so forth. that solace, that quiet is invigorating. in a weird way i had the same thing working on the film is that by just being there as the actor i could shut everything else out and just be in that space which really helped me perform. >>

i grew up in an era where perry mason, for instance, was somebody you looked, you know, was an iconic figure. judge for the defense. i loved "to kill a mockingbird," the book, and the movie, i think, even exceeded it. i thought atticus finch was a hero for kind of defending the underdog in this world where everybody was against him. that has changed the pendulum swing that's taken place over the last 30 years, has switched to the point where the defense lawyer's now thought of as kind of a scumbag. in fact, that was going to be the original title for the book, was, "die, scumbag lawyer, die." pat can tell the story as to where that came from. but that kind of demonization of the defense, i think has had a horrible effect on the system itself. barry: well, you know, you mentioned the media. i want to take this on two approaches, because you guys do it in the book as well. it's the politization of it, and the media's role that has helped cause a large part of the politization of it. part of it, as you just said, was we used to think, you know, that the defense deserves-- what was the li

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. >> rose: not very many perry mason moments? >> you can't create them and in real life,, no it doesn't happen that way. and you just can't write a lot of litigation. it is not a whole lot of fun. some of -- before you get to trial, some of the maneuvering by the lawyer and all of that kind of stuff can be very compelling and fun to read, but the actual courtroom stuff, jury deliberations is just not that interesting, and tough to make it interesting. >> rose: back to the time to kill i want to take a look at this. did you have anything to do with the casting of sebastian and tom and all of these people? nothing? >> nothing. no, once i read rupert holmes play i said this works, i would love to see this play go. okay? we signed a contract at some point and i don't even know what is in the contract and they took off with it, rupert did all the work and -- writing and here we are. >> rose: okay. so this is a play where karl lee hayley played by john daly asked his attorney jake, played by sebastian a sell lsu what he would have done

lady of texas, anita perry, her husband governor rick perry, said she misspoke, though it sounds like she was very clear about what she felt. jessica mason pieklo, she sounds a little like laura bush, president bush was opposed to abortion and laura bush had expressed her support for roe v wade. what is the significance of this? and give us the last national picture where abortion rights stand in this country. >> i think anita perry's statement is significant and i think the comparison to laura bush is apt as well. malewe see is we have lawmakers making decisions as to fundamental rights of women. also saidmrs. perry this is a matter that should be le up to the state, the reality is, when we are talking about fundamental rights, those are not something states vote on. abortion access and abortion rights is a fundamental right up to pre-viability on question. the supreme court has said that time and time again. said this is not a matter of law that should be intentionally clouded the way anti-'twas activists have. in terms of the national picture of where things happen now, we're in a battle state-by- state. we have several potential case

first pages of the wind, a melodramatic 1925 model come a day naÏve, pretty, 18 to 20 mason blondin wavy hair and perry, cheeks pink as the petals of peach blossoms. train down to the west texas hamlet of sweetwater to be a governess learns from work roddy, a mysteriousness -- a passenger of the hard life that awaits her. folks say the west is good enough for a man art thou, but no place for a woman her cat. but why? why? the wind is the worst thing. she truly was the side. when? has nothing to be afraid of. he went on as though she had not spoken. it's ruined nations to a woman book and nurse pretty often. it dries up her skin until it gets brown and tough as leather. figure about as her eyes out with the fan that all day. it gets on her nerves, makes art irritable and jump be. i want to say by the way, that was written by a woman. that's my disclaimer there. >> in 1927. decades after that novel publication, joe caldwell, who hails from the texas panhandle, where the wind relentlessly remember being haunted by the stories of pioneered women's driven not by the wind. this was a force so strong it would