that in creating the stimulus that essentially at that moment set a patter than somehow persistd? >> i don't accept that. i think that the hand was extend ed and the extended hand wasn't always reciprocated. >> rose: they wanted to say no from the beginning would be your argument. >> i think as you said earlier, the proof is in the pudding. but we have seen areas of great bipartisanship and education being one of them. great collaboration with the business sector who recognized how important it is for the future and the growth of their companies. work with republicans, house, and senate to get this done. it doesn't mean we agree on everything and great debate is part of who we are as americans and ideological debate is fine but at the same time we have been able to work together to get important things done. >> rose: do you believe that the enthusiasm that existed in 2007 and 2008, which you were part of can be recaptured? >> i do. and i understand... it isn't just a... understanding at a distance, you know? i go home every night, my husband is a small business owner and i see the