. >> so one of -- one of those candidates running, pete buttegeig just gave an interview to the "washingtonost" where he said hillary clinton went around tell the country america is great already. and the implicate i think trump was able to appeal to people's anxieties their fears, the sense that things were going wrong, that the america that they loved was changing, and that you appealed too much to the hope that, in fact, a democrat needs to understand that people are feeling pain, they are feeling that there are problems and that those problems need to be addressed in some way. do you think that's a reasonable critique? >> i don't want to comment on any of the candidates because, like i say, i think that they all have a lot to contribute not only to the democratic party but to the country. and it will be up to voters to decide who our nominee is. but i would say this. i really do believe that we always have to appeal to our better selves. because the wolf is at the door, my friends. negativity, despair, anxiety, resentment, anger, prejudice, that's part of human nature. and the job of a