on the first night tuesday, july 30th, pete buttiegieg.e second night, julian castro, andrew yang, cory booker join gillibrand, bennett and de blasio. cooper, back to you. >> the panel draw is going to be extremely important because it's really those candidates that a lot of these, the first draw candidates and the second draw candidates are gunning for. >> yeah, and what is shaping up here, if you look at tuesday night, it's like moderate night. you're going to have a real ideological difference will be on display between the two nights of these debates in detroit. i mean, klobuchar, bullock, ryan, hickenlooper, delanie, o'rourke, buttigieg. this is a night that's going to show one side ideological of this party, centri side. >> so far. >> so far. castro, yang, booker, de blasio, gabbard, ensley, colorado, has a bunch of liberals here he's going to be eager to contrast himself with on wednesday. again, you are right, we'll have to see how the top four split. >> because if elizabeth warren and bernie sanders end up on tuesday night, you wo

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which you know a lot about, or other measures we're seeing that take in the whole quarter like pete buttiegiegsing over 20 mill, where do you see this race going now? >> obviously there's a very long way to go, but i do think that we answered a very important question the first night, the first debate, which is is the question who is going to beat donald trump, or is the question are we looking for something bigger. and i think that moment in the debate, that exchange between kamala and biden, that was very crucial in the race because all of a sudden i think there's younger people, the audience is starting to understand that we want both things. we want someone that can beat donald trump and someone that can bring transformational change. >> you want something politically that tastes great but is also less filling. >> yes. >> why can't you have both? >> absolutely. i think it's a situation of beating donald trump is important, but we also have issues we have to fix in this country. donald trump has done a lot of impacts i feel are negative. you can get into office, but what are you going to do