so when i spoke to pete hamill, i asked him, who?ow that the editors i worked for, if you came to them and said, look, i got this spook. you hire him, he can get into any mailbox in new york. this is before the internet. >> i've got a special spy, sort of a secret agent, in effect. >> he can open the mailbox. he can take the mail out. he can heat them so that you can read the contents. he can seal them. >> if you want to one of your editors and said, i've got a guy that can do the very thing they're doing over in britain, what would have happened. the editor would have said, what do you think about that? let's do it. let's start with this. i've got a better idea. give me your press card. give me your keys. go down the hall and get your check and never come back. they would have kicked these guys out, which is the thing is what repels me about it because i know great british news men who would never dream of doing that, irish news men in dublin and belfast. they would never do that. >> so when you think of rupert murdoch being the guy