pete seeger was there.as like to have his car surrounded by mobs, rocking it back and forth. even now, he has in his chimney a huge boulder which had crashed through the windscreen and almost killed his young son danny. this is collusion between the westchester county police and the clue? cayenne, the gangs, newspapers, what have you. woody guthrie was there. i was surprised that none of the major biographies of about woody have made the point of putting him at peekskill. he was so astounded by what he saw. he was on a bus with lee hayes. he says, i have seen some bad stuff, but this is about the worst i have seen. hayes remember is that he was leading the people in song. it takes a word man to sing a warrick song. i'm worried now but not for long. he has a good attitude. he is making quite breivik jokes. anybody got a rock? there is a window that needs to be opened back here. at one point, hayes remembers that woody pinned up a shirt against the window to keep the glass from breaking, and would you know it

we interviewed pete seeger of "democracy now!"of years ago who talked about alan lomax and woody guthrie. >> what got me started and many others, old woody guthrie says, woody guthrie, your mission in life is to write songs and to let anything distract you. you're like the people who wrote the ballads of robin hood and the ballad of jesse james. you keep writing ballads as long as you can. and woody took it to heart. he was not a good husband. he was always running off, but he wrote songs, as you know. >> do you remember when he first met woody guthrie? >> i will never forget it. a benefit concert for california agricultural workers on broadway. at midnight, burl ives was there, the golden gate quartet, leadbelly, a square dance group with my wife dancing in it. i saying one song very amateurishly and retired in confusion to a smattering of polite applause, but woody took over. in 20 minutes, interest everyone not just singing, but storytelling. >> i come from oklahoma, you know. it is a rich state. he was some oil, go down in the

shocked and you remember at the inauguration the musical highlight of that was him with a chorus and pete seegerhe full version of "this land is your land" with the two last verses that are about as radical as the song can get. >> rose: he's been in therapy for 30 years. >> one more year he's going to get it right as woody allen used to say. is. >> rose: looking for what? >> well, i think that, you know... >> rose: back to his father or... >> your parents may pass away but the past is never past. i can't pretend to be in his head. >> rose: you try to get there? >> we try but it's journalism. there are limits to that and you have to acknowledge them. it's a pretty weird life, too, remember. the degree of his privilege, to have a job where you go out on the stage and people literally are bearing you aloft and singing your name "brute!" i mean, jesus never had it so good. no religious figure ever did. then you go home. and your kids still laugh at you. it's a perd life. >> rose: somebody was talking about messianic. >> steve van zandt said is messianic the word you're looking? it may tell us someth

seeger, thank you for sharing your story with us this morning. >> no problem. >> again, the suspect has been identified as 24-year-old james holmes. let's go to nbc's justice correspondent pete williams who's been gathering information through the fbi and other law enforcement sources throughout the morning. pete, good morning to you. >> matt, good morning. we're told that he was born december 13th of 1987, 24 years old, apparently had lived in aurora, colorado, for the last year or so. but there's no record of any criminal association with him. he wasn't on any kind of terror watch list, no list of militia groups or extremist groups. he was basically unknown to law enforcement. and aurora police say the only record they ever have of any contact with him was a traffic ticket in 2011, sometime last year. he has no military history. we don't know exactly when he came to the aurora area. but the car that was outside the movie theater, which is apparently the one that he drove to the theater, had tennessee plates on it. so they're trying to figure out why that is, what his connection, if anything, was to tennessee. his parents were living in san diego. authorities have been in t