we've been fortunate so far. >> pete stavros has his critics.rivate equity, a sector often vilified for its aggressive business practices. >> here are some of the critiques we have heard about. about your effort. it's greenwashing. it's white washing, it's mostly public relations. it's watering down the real employee ownership. what do you say to detractors like that? >> when you look at what workers are getting, i just think there's too much substance for someone to shrug it off and say, oh, that's fake. >> but coming from a sector that doesn't traditionally act like this, that tends to cut jobs and tends to squeeze profits and tends to hollow out companies. does that create an additional challenge to you? >> well, i don't agree with that characterization. >> you don't? >> no. i think, certainly, mistakes have been made, both in our industry and in capitalism. if all private equity was doing was plundering, i just don't think it would be where it's at, which is continuing to gain market share. >> stavros does concede that, when there is a sale,