pete strzok is also here, former fbi counter intelligence agent. former new york state prosecutor and now msnbc legal analyst. betsy, i start with you. i know that grasping at straws is sort of a pattern that we recognize from trump, but it seems that the rubber may meet the road in that his senior aides and former lawyers are the witnesses testifying to his handling of classified material in this case. >> it's without a doubt a real and serious problem for him. one of the things that i found most striking about this new reporting from the post was the detail indicating that trump himself was very much involved personally in a hands-on way in deciding which documents or at least some of which documents he wanted to take with him to mar-a-lago. one of the arguments that sort of emerged from the concept of conversations that had been going on since the mar-a-lago raid is this notion that, well, they are packing so fast. it was such a mess. things were so chaotic during the final case of the trump precedence they no one could really be held responsibl

we are also joined by a familiar face, former fbi special agent, pete strzok, a 22-year veteran of theunterintelligence division. they are both uniquely qualified to help us make sense of the fast-moving developments that are now public-facing on this story. thank you both so much for being with us. mary, anyone that works in government knows how sacred classified materials are. i worked in a white house in the years after 9/11, so there was a lot of it. there was a need-to-know basis of who even had clearances. they were constantly updated, and the protocols were pounded into everyone's head. suffice to say that trump white house didn't operate that way, but there's nothing different about the danger to having classified materials out in the ether, is there? >> no, i mean, you know, any time you have information that's classified, it's because it poses a danger to national security if it falls into the hands of someone who's not authorized to receive it. so, that could be anything from just some danger to exceptionally grave danger and beyond. it can also mean potential danger to conf

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let's bring in former fbi deputy assist tournament director pete strzok.thor of "compromise, counterintelligence and the threat of donald j. trump." peter, we know some things about this, right? we know there was some coordination ahead of time between the secret service and the fbi because there is a small secret service presence there. just walk us through how this would play out in mar-a-lago. >> absolutely. it's really hard to understate the complexity and planning that goes into a search like this. let's step back to yesterday. cnn reported late last night, that in early june of this year, about two months ago, a team of investigators led by the head of doj's counterintelligence and expert control section went down mar-a-lago and met with trump's attorneys some indication that trump himself stepped in. during that meeting they walked into the area. they went down to the basement, apparently, where documents is stored. what's notable about this, seven days after that meeting, sent a letter to mar-a-lago saying you need to secure that room downstairs. t

. >> the question that pete strzok couldn't answer for me, if you thought the mueller report was garbageut nothing could endanger trump criminally, why work so hard and spend nine pages tearing it apart? >> 100%, nicole. i think this memo just goes to show what we already knew in a way which is that donald trump got a blanket pass on his illegal conduct for far too long and there are all sorts of substantive criticisms of the memo, some of which you're referring to and others like the nine-page memo blows off the accusations that donald trump was giving pardons to flip witnesses to his benefit. that's not anywhere mentioned in this. the memo gets key supreme court decisions absolutely wrong. there's a substantive critique. what we haven't talked about is the procedural critique because mueller was a special counsel and i regulated that when i was staffer in 1999 and the whole point of the special counsel was to provide an independent investigation and prosecution of high-level executive branch officials including, of course, including the precedent and what happened here is the appointed

sought to destroy, destroy and annihilate anyone that was ever part of the counter intelligence arm, pete strzokabe and jim comey, not just fire, but destroy him. that feels like his nightmare, a counterintelligence question about him, frank. >> wouldn't it be interesting -- what a great point. wouldn't it be interesting that what started this all off and his troubles becomes the end of him because it's a counterintelligence problem and it's of his own doing. it's of his own doing. that would really be the height of irony here, and i really get concerned about the national security implications. i know i'm beating this horse, but think about even phone calls. think about his lawyers who are not cleared to see this, who probably saw it. who probably didn't say oh, no, no, no. they probably peaked at it. think of who he showed just to say hey, look at this, a satellite photo or whatever he's got in there. look at this. it scarce the hell out of me. did he pick up the phone and have a conversation with lawyers and say what about the t.s. document that involves north korea. what about that one? some