for more, let's go to justice correspondent pete williams from d.c. and pete, what happened at burnett chapel church this morning that we know of, what are you hearing from your sources? >> reporter: what we're told is that this gunman from rutherford county arrived at the church driving a blue suv, got out of his vehicle and immediately shot a woman who was walking into the church. she is the one fatality we believe. he then entered the church and opened fire wounding seven other people. one man who was inside the church confronted him, and we're told by the police that that man, that parishioner, was beaten with the gun. he then despite his injuries went out, got into his car, he has a permit to carry a weapon, came back in, and apparently when the xwugunman, the gunman t himself. and as you said, the gunman is in the hospital now. we don't know whether those are life threatening oig injuries or not and we're waiting to haear more detail. police have said that they don't know of any connect between tio the gun mand aman and the churc you chose today,

nbc's pete williams has the details. >> reporter: the video shows a cobb county georgia police officerng to a woman in a car he pulled over on a traffic stop. she's unwilling to move her hands, afraid she says of getting shot, and he tells her, don't worry. "but you're not black, remember? we only kill black people, yeah, we only kill black people, right? all the videos you see." >> reporter: though it happened a year ago the video is just now coming to light. the officer greg abbott has been on the force nearly 30 years. his lawyer says he was trying to use the passenger's own statements but the police chief said what happened was unacceptable. >> i don't know what's in his heart. but i certainly know what came out of his mouth. the recommendation is to terminate his employment from the cobb county police department. >> reporter: the date stamp on the video, july 10th, 16 just four days after cell phone video went viral showing the moments after a white policeman killed a black driver, philando castille in minnesota. as shocking as the georgia video is -- >> remember, we only kill bla

we get details from our justice correspondent pete williams. >> reporter: the video shows a cobb county, georgia, police officer talking to a woman in a car he pulled over on a traffic stop. she's unwilling to move her hands, afraid, she says, of getting shot. and he tells her, don't worry. >> but you're not black. remember, we only kill black people. yeah, we only kill black people, right? all the videos you've seen, have you seen black people get killed? >> reporter: though it happened a year ago, the video is just coming to light. the officer, lieutenant greg abbott, has been on the force 30 years. his lawyer says he was, quote, trying to gain compliance by using the passenger's own statements. but the county's new police chief said today that what happened was unacceptable. >> i don't know what's in his heart, but i certainly know what came out of his mouth. the recommendation is to terminate his employment from the cobb county police department. >> reporter: the date stamp on the video, july 10th, 2016. just four days after cellphone video went viral showing the moments after a whi

pete williams has the details. >>> the video shows a cobb county, georgia police officer talking to aa car he pulled over at a traffic stop. she's unwilling to move her hands, afraid, she says, of getting shot and he tells her don't worry. >> but you're not black. remember, we only kill black people? yeah, we only kill black people, right? all the videos you've seen, have you seen white people get killed? >> reporter: it happened a year ago. the video is just coming to light. the officer on the force nearly 30 years. the lawyer says he was quote trying to gain compliance by using the passenger's own statements. but the county's new police chief says what's happened is unacceptable. >> i don't know what's in his heart. i certainly know what came out of his mouth. the recommendation is to terminate his employment from the cobb county police department. >> reporter: the date stamp, july 10, 2016, just four days after cell phone video went viral showing the moments after a white police man killed a black driver in minnesota. as shocking as the georgia video is -- >> you remember, we only

nbc's pete williams has more on her incredible life as she helped pave the way to legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide. >> reporter: edie windsid but she ended up a hero to the gay rights movement in a landmark legal battle that went to the u.s. supreme court. after she got married in canada where it was legal between two women, her spouse died and left her the estate. but the irs did not consider her married and set a huge tax bill because a law, doma, the defense of marriage act, blocked the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages. >> i couldn't believe that they were making a stranger of this person i lived with and loved for 43 and something years. >> reporter: in u.s. v windsor, the supreme court struck the law down saying it served no legitimate purpose. and just two years later, based largely on the windsor ruling, the court struck down laws that prohibited same-sex marriage nationwide. at first a reluctant public figure, she came to enjoy her celebrity status, in one of her last interviews she said she got rock star treatment at public appearances. >> what ha

our justice correspondent pete williams has late details. >> reporter: the sunday morning service hadt ended at burnett chapel church of christ in nashville when a man drove in and left the engine running. armed with a handgun investigators say, he shot and killed a woman coming out of the church then went inside and opened fire. >> dispatch, this is a level-one, mass casualty incident. >> people were just running and hiding and trying to get out. get away. >> reporter: police say the church usher tackled the gunman who beat him with a pistol and then another shot. >> during the struggle, the gunman shot himself, probably not intentionally, in the left pectoral muscle. in the left chest. >> reporter: a woman who was in the church says the man firing the shots never said a word. >> he came in front of the church from the parking lot and he was shooting and then he started shooting more and looking to his left. and that's when he came in the front, in the middle, and then this guy came up fighting with him and tackled him down. >> reporter: she works at a va hospital and helped control

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very latest gdata for from us pete williams. i want to bring in jim cavanaugh former atf special agent in charge and msnbc analyst. there we have it from pete, the latest pieces of information, he was 26, we have an understanding of his background. but this is a church, a neighborhood that is quite diverse and parishioners as well. about 60 of them according to the eyewitness also reflect that community. >> right. and look at the targeting here. we always look at the target to try to discern motive. we look at the purpose, the planning. so you have a very deliberate act here. the guy coming to the church, when the services just finishing, he has a mask, he's armed. didn't sound like an ad hoc robbery or anything. sounds like a guy who is bent on killing members of this congregation. and it's a very diverse area. so would is the motive behind the shooting? revenge, is he trying to get back at somebody there, did somebody at that church done him wrong? why is this the target of his murder spree on this sunday morning. so that is wh

earlier, i spoke to pete williams from the rac.welcome this novel approach. clearly there is nothing more frustrating than being delayed by roadworks and then finally you get waved through, you can see very little work actually taking place. the idea that lane rental will be introduced to encourage the utility companies to conduct their roadworks more efficiently is great news. we wa nt to more efficiently is great news. we want to ensure that the quality of the work they take and do to our roads is sufficient and is not going to end up with local authorities coming back and repairing thejob they've done. nothing more frustrating than seeing the road dug up frustrating than seeing the road dug up twice to complete the job. frustrating than seeing the road dug up twice to complete the jobm frustrating than seeing the road dug up twice to complete the job. is it clear to you why politicians have been reluctant to do this because presumably the rac, as with other motoring organisations, has argued this case for a long time? well, i am

rights movement, took case to the supreme court and won, passed away in new york at age of 88 and pete williams has a look at legacy she leaves behind. >> reporter: edie windsor didn't set out to blaze a legal trail but after she got married in canada where it was legal between two women, spouse died and left her estate but irs didn't consider her married and sent a huge tax bill because doma blocked federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages. >> i couldn't believe making a stranger of this person i lived with and loved for 43 something years. >> reporter: in u.s. v. windsor struck down the law, and two years later struck down low laws that prohibited same-sex marriage nationwide. at first reluctant figure, came to enjoy celebrity status. rock star treatment at public appearances. >> these days they automatically stand up and roar to me. okay. it feels wonderful. >> reporter: her new spouse tonight called her tiny but tough as nails fighter for freedom, justice and equality. nbc news, washington. >>> treating menopause, new hope for women told that hormone replacement put their heal

. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins me now with more. pete, you covered james comey for so long, you know him well. this is an unusual experience. can you explain what's going on there? >> yeah, that was the end of the speech. what you didn't hear was that for the entire time he was speaking, which was about 12 minutes, there was a ceaseless protest going on from about 20 people in the audience. maybe we can listen to just a bit of this here. about 20 or 25 people in the back of the hall, they held up signs at one point that said "black lives matter" and they called themselves hu resist, howard university resist. they said afterwards to our michelle dubert who was there at howard, the justice department doesn't care about us, they are racist. so they were speaking about the justice department and james comey was as the fbi director. as for the text of the speech, it was pretty much what you would hear at any connotation at any university about the importance of university education, about the importance of getting diverse point of views f

pete williams joins us now. pete, literally just getting off the phone with the very latest. what have you learned? >> the supreme court has just issued an order. bottom line, putting off the oral argument calendar, canceling the planned oral argument on the challenge to the trump travel ban that was to be heard on october 10th. this coming monday is the first day of the new supreme court term. late last year the supreme court scheduled argument on the showdown of the trump ban on the legal question of whether the president had the legal authority to issue this order in the first place, his executive order. then yesterday the trump administration issued this new proclamation that substitutes for the original 90-day travel ban on visas and puts a new -- keeps five of the six original countries that were on the travel ban and adds three more for a total of eight. the the solicitor general sent a letter to the supreme court last night saying, why don't you ask both sides for their views on whether -- how this should affect the supreme court hearing this case next tuesday or two

nbc's pete williams is joining us now with more. ke us through the specifics here and how the guidelines are different from what we have seen before. >> reporter: well, they are different because theyed a three new countries, that's one difference. second, the original travel ban that went into effect in march or in july after the supreme court ruling, basically said it was 90 days. this one is indefinite until those countries conform to what the u.s. says is a new baseline for the sort of information that the nation needs to assess the validity of visa information. the government says that these lists, this new restriction, is the result of canvassing every country in the world saying here's the new information we want, and then assessing how well the countries did on a grade. but basically, all visas are blocked from north korea and syria. now, that is not a big change for north korea. there was only 110 visas granted in all of last year from north korea. for chad, libya, yemen, no business or tourist visas blocked. and the one in

i want to bring in chief justice correspondent pete williams who has been following this story. what's this all about? >> conservative groups celebrating this development and have good cause to do so. the mere fact unlike many cases, the me fact that the court agreed to take t tasels us a lot aowut h it's going to come out. the issue here is involving public sector unions, people that don't belong to unions. the supreme court ruled some time ago that they can be required to pay a share of union dues, they say requiring them to pay that hard of union dues violates first amendment rights because the union stiechls taom takes positions in bargaining they don't agree with. heard the argument on this case, then justice scalia died and the court divided 4-4. we know how the four conservatives will vote on this. they agree with the opponents that nonunion members shouldn't have to pay this fee. the addition of kneel gorsuch is probably the vote for victory. if the supreme court rules they don't have to pay the fee if nonunion, it is a hit to public sector unions and could very much eff

>> pete williams, thank you very much. >>> straight ahead for you we'll have more about the president versus the nfl. fresh tweet from the president pushing back on the attacks of what he thinks nfl players should do as proper protests and what they should feel is access to their own free rights. you know, freedom of speech and their first amendment rights -- there it is, sports fans should never condone players that do not stand proud for their national anthem or their country. nfl should change the policy. meanwhile, we just watched him walk into the white house where he was asked by reporters, is he going to ask his supporters to boycott the nfl and he said no. then we just got this tweet. okay. we're back in a moment. we may be one of the world's most familiar companies, but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company. we've got drinks for long days. for birthdays. for turning over new leaves. and we make them for every moment in every corner of the country. we are the coca-cola company, and we're proud to off

nbc's pete williams has more on the suspected gunman. >> reporter: frances, the man charged with the shooting is in jail this morning after he was treated for an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound. the police say he shot himself after the church usher tackled him. >>> the sunday morning service had just ended at burnett chapel church of christ in nashville when a man wearing a ski mask drove into the parking lot and jumped out with the engine still running. armed with a h killed a woman coming out of the church, then went inside and opened fire. >> this is a level 1 mass casualty incident. >> people were just running and hiding and trying to get out, get away. >> reporter: police say the church usher tackled the gunman who beat him with a pistol and then another shot. >> during the struggle, the gunman shot himself, probably not intentionally, in the left pectoral muscle, in the left chest. >> reporter: a woman who was in the church says the man firing the shots never said a word. >> he came from in front of the church from the parking lot and he was shooting. and then he stand

nbc justice correspondent pete williams was the man who prevented further casualties. >> reporter: thehen a man jumped out in the parking lot and jumped out with a handgun and shot and killed a woman coming out of the church and opened fire. >> this is a level 1 mass security incident. >> people were hiding and running to getaway. >> reporter: police say the church usher tackled the gunman who beat him with a pistol and fired another shot. >> during the struggle, the gunman shot himself, probably not intentionally in the left pectoral muscle, in the left chest. >> reporter: a woman in the church said the man firing the shots never said a word. >> he kept running in front of the church in the parking lot and started shooting and then looking to his left. that's when he came in the middle and then this guy came down. >> reporter: she says she works at a v.a. hospital and helped control the bleeding on one of the gunshot victims. the usher, 22-year-old robert engle ran to his car and got a gun. >> he's a hero and stopped this madness. we're very grateful to him. >> reporter: six others sh

let's get more on this from pete williams from the rac.rs who were caught. what are those penalties? now the fine for being caught using a hand—held mobile phone at the wheel, whether driving or stationary, is £200 and six penalty points. if you have already got points on your license, you could lose your license. for a new driver, that could mean losing their licence and having to start to train again. the rac actually revealed 12 months ago in a report on motoring that the use of hand—held phones was at epidemic proportions. attitudes had relaxed significantly. we believe that was down to the lack of enforcement and the reduced number of roads policing officers. since then, that has increased. there is no less than 2500 officers policing the roads in england and wales. 30% down on ten yea rs england and wales. 30% down on ten years ago. do you think there is a lack of enforcement going on? just so people understand, those penalties, they also apply if you are caught using your phone when stationary behind the wheel? absolutely. psu is us

i'm joined now from our bristol studio by pete williams from the rac. me ask you first of all about this scheme. it sounds like the kind of thing everybody would agree is a goodidea of thing everybody would agree is a good idea and i can rememberjeffrey archer when he was running for mayor of london briefly at the end of the end of the last century saying we should do this, we are nearly 20 yea rs should do this, we are nearly 20 years on, why hasn't it happened, do you think? well, i don't know. i think most people would welcome this novel approach, clearly there's nothing more frustrating than being delayed by roadworks and then finally you get waved through, you can see very little work actually taking place. so the idea that lane rental will be introduced to encourage the utility companies to conduct their roadworks more efficiently is great news. we just wa nt to efficiently is great news. we just want to ensure that the quality of the work they take and do to our roads is sufficient and is not going to end up with the logoal authorities coming bac

nbc's pete williams has more on the suspected gunman. >> reporter: frances, the man charged with theis in jail this morning after he was treated for an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound. the police say he shot himself after the church usher tackled him. >>> the sunday morning service had just ended at burnett chapel church of christ in nashville when a man wearing a ski mask drove into the parking lot and jumped out with the engine still running. armed with a hand gun, investigators say, he shot and killed a woman coming out of the church, then went inside and opened fire. >> this is a level 1 mass casualty incident. >> people were just running and hiding and trying to get out, get away. >> reporter: police say the church usher tackled the gunman who beat him with a pistol and then another shot. >> during the struggle, the gunman shot himself, probably not intentionally, in the left pectoral muscle, in the left chest. >> reporter: a woman who was in the church says the man firing the shots never said a word. >> he came from in front of the church from the parking lot and he was

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our justice correspondent pete williams joins us. >> reporter: the details about what countries are involved here. five of the six original countries are part of this extended ban. this is an indefinite ban. kpeeps restrictions on iran, libya, somalia, syria and yemen. it lift restrictions on visitors from sudan. it adds new restrictions on visitors and immigrants from chad, north korea and venezuela. remember that the original travel ban the one that went into effect in march had a 90-day restriction on visas. that expired yesterday. so for those original countries that were on that list the five of the six carries on as of yesterday, and then the restrictions on the new countries will kick in about three weeks. but here's the one big difference between the original executive order and this one. the original executive order lasted for only 90 days. this is indefinite unless those countries can improve three critical things. the way they identify people within their own country, the way they communicate information about terrorism to the u.s. and then the internal terrorism threat in those c

my colleague, nbc chief justice correspondent, pete williams, was reporting on this.2001 about what the bureau looked like. >> if robert mueller gets the job, the first thing he will encounter here is lots of advice from at least four separate investigations, all looking at how to make the fbi better. the fbi under more scrutiny than ever. separate investigations, one led by former fbi director, webster, of the embarrassing and damaging robert hanson spy case. a justice department examination of the fbi fouled up and turning over mcveigh documents, and a top-to-bottom review of the fbi's mission and management ordered by the attorney general. >> that's what was perceived of what was wrong with the fbi. how did mueller make it right? >> well, that wasn't the half of it. in the weeks after 9/11, the fbi rounded up 1,200 people, none of whom belonged to al qaeda. some of them were treated very harshly. the fbi's internal communications systems were a wreck. >> so what did he do? >> over the course of two years, with tremendous turnover, the average counterterrorism direc

pete williams says the fbi says it's not just them. there are other u.s.e agencies involved. but they have no idea where this came from. there's a lot of theories out there. is it likely -- or what are you hearing in terms of the cuban government? is it likely for them to have been involved if they're allowing american intelligence agents to go down there and look into it? >> well, that's a good question. i don't know that the cubans have much of a choice. it is possible that they have removed -- it's entirely plausible they removed any device causing these effects. the big question is, was this the cuban government, or i think a lot of u.s. officials strongly believe that if something was happening here that was espionage or another government, that it would have involved russia or possibly china. and that the cubans likely would have been aware of it, but not necessarily behind it. >> that's my question. who would not want american relations to be normalized between america and cuba? who does that not benefit? >> well, russia does not like it. russia obv

joining us now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. the details that you've been able to learn about the gunman and those hurt or killed. >> well, thomas, they say this all began this afternoon just as church was letting out and they say this gunman who they identified as 25-year-old emanuel from nearby frooezboro drove his blue suv into the parking lot with the engine still running, he jumped out with a gun, shot a woman who was coming out of the church as the services were ending and then went inside and continued to fire. they say he shot six people inside the church, all of them adults, four of them in their 60s, two of them in their 80s. they're said to be in stable condition. one is described as stable critical condition and it would have been far worse they say were it not for the actions of the church usher, 22-year-old robert engle who tackled the gunman they say, they say that the gunman whom they identify as samson beat engle with the pistol but the gunman apparently shot himself in the struggle, either he pulled the trigger

neblett >> raymond marcus glenroy neblett >> jerome nedd >> lawrence nedell >> pete negron >> and nelson >> david williamginger briscoe nelson's >> james a. nelson >> michelle and nelson >> peter allen nelson >> oscar francis nesbitt >> gerard terence nevins >> renÉe >> christopher newton carter >> christopher newton carter >> nancy yuen ngo >> and my grandfather. god bless you, the families or parents miss you, your loving sister misses you, your daughter's, your nieces and pat and the rest of the family and your close good buddies that are meeting later on they'll miss you. god bless first responders and florida for what they are going to go through and god bless america. >> and my father edward frank. my mom got a job taking care of me and my brothers and got involved in the navy and then also, my dad i will always miss my dad. i remember him like it was yesterday he was the best dad ever. we had so many great times together. she taught me how to be a man and i'm just happy that he was my dad and i will always miss him. he should have never died but that's how it is. thank you. [applause] >> jody nich

pete here lives in new jersey. ed in chesterfields, 63 degrees, currently, in his backyards cherry hill, 77. here in lawrenceville, new jersey, 07 degrees, where he lives, john, in mullica hill, at 65. william in pennsylvania, at 70 and then we have kenneth, 07 degrees in his backyards, we'll show you live look, down the shore. you're looking at beach patrol headquarters in margate. couple of folks out there enjoying nice stroll on the sand. this is probably going to be a packed scene as we head into this afternoon. it will be absolutely stunning beach day. but keep in mind, even though it is going to be beautiful out there, even though it will be the deceive inningly gorgeous out there, ocean water can be very dangerous, high risk of rip current, throughout the day today. 72 degrees right now in philadelphia. sixty-nine in millville. down the shore, temperatures, in the mid 60s, so kind of cool down there. six an in wildwood. sixty-six in atlantic sit, but these numb letters heating up quickly as well, six an

pete muntean, wusa9. >>> now another story you'll see only on 9 tonight, you might recall this seen from haymarket in prince william county, the spot where a police officer shot and killed a 15- year-old boy who was hitting a woman with a crowbar. the boy's name was ruben urbina. our mike valerio stopped by the family's house today to touch base. turns out the boy's father oscar had just written a letter to the officer that shot and killed his son and this is what that letter said in oscar's own words. >> it's a letter of forgiveness. police officer, regard all these circumstances surrounding my child's death, he didn't do anything wrong. you did. >> the individual involved, the young man, had called the police, had told them that he was holding his mother hostage. >> he's innocent. you are guilty in god's court of law. >> 6825 hill lane, engine 524, 1107 hours. >> the officer who eventually fired did see the woman get struck by the crowbar. it's about a 3-foot long crowbar. >> you as a full grown adult could have made the decision to subdue my child by using a taser. he was just a little skinny little boy with a c

manager pete mackanin says crawford could see time at short stop and second base. crawford will wear number two. he joins rhys hoskins and rick williams as prospects to make their debuts for the phillies this season. >>> are the eagles ready? they better be. the season opener is five days away. sunday afternoon the birds will be in landover maryland to face the washington redskins. the birds are a slight favorite despite this game being on the road. last season the eagles defense wasn't always up to snuff. so during the off season the front office engineered some trades to upgrade that side of the football. that unit should be better. emphasis on should. >> on paper we're better. we have added not only depth but we've added some key components to the defense. it's our job as coaches, our job as players to be productive, you know, i mean, this press conference doesn't matter. we can say all the right things, we can, you know, have the greatest plans. we have to execute it and the proof is in the pudding. >> got to do it on the field. >>> the dallas cowboys remain in limbo. they were expecting to get a ruling today on ezekial elliott's

nee pete negron laurie ann neira ann n. nelson david william nelson ginger risko nelson james a.len nelson oscar francis nesbitt gerard terence nevins rene newal christopher c. newton. christopher newton carter. nancy yuen ngo and my brother-in-law firefighter james gray ladder 20. god bless you. the family thinks about you every day. loves you and misses you. your parents, patrick and dorene, miss you. your loving sister sue misses you. your daughters colleen elise. aunt pat, joey and eric and the rest of the family and your close good buddies meeting later on, they all miss you. god bless the first responders. god bless texas and florida for what they're going to go through, and god bless america. >> and my father, edward frank polis. first and foremost, i want to wish my mom a happy birthday. you've done a great job taking care of me and my brother and my sist sister. my brother is in the navy. i want to thank him also. then my dad, i'll always miss my dad. i remember him like it was yesterday. he was the best dad ever. we had so many great times together. we taught me how to

pete: amen. the police chief of cleveland, calvin williams, has a bit of a different take on all this.believe one that members of the cleveland division police are against participating in events with cleave land brown athletes. this is not the view of all of our officers. steve, do you think the majority of officers are with you or the police chief on this? >> just shows the chief and calvin williams, is out of touch with reality. of what we have going on here in cleveland. he is out of touch with the reality of his officers, and how they feel about it. they're absolutely with us. there may be one or two out there that have opposing opinion. that is great. this is a great nation. they can have that but the vast majority of our members are absolutely standing with us. and the law-abiding citizens here in cleveland as well. across the country we're finding out. you know, things are going on terrible in houston right now. i find it odd that this is such a big story. pete: yeah. >> i'm not sure why. our hearts go out to the folks out there. there are a lot of police officers, cleveland, e

pete: we will bring in former d.c. police detective and defense attorney and fox news contributor ted williams. dicey situation in st.. a lot of emotions. this acquittal, what do you make of it all? >> well, you know, it was a very dicey situation. but you have to wonder, guys, was this a political prosecution? let me take you back. this was 2011. the justice department was in the hands of the then president of the united states barack obama. well, the fbi interviewed stockily in 20122012. if they felt they had killed this man intentionally the justice department in 2016 could have brought civil charges against the police officer. when you look at the facts of this case, here it is these two officers are confronted with a possible drug transaction. the guy in the car, mr. smith, takes off and he winds up hitting their car twice. there's a high speed chase that went on. as a result of that, the officer, stockley, did in fact shoot and kill this manual. the question was did he intentionally do it? well, what our audience needs to understanding is that police officers have a right, if, in fact, they fear for their life,