in the meantime, peter baker is with us. house staff feel about how these past few weeks have been going for the president with these interviews with jonathan swan, with chris wallace, fox and friends this morning, where he continued to downplay the virus. do they think this strategy is working? >> well, you know, look, polls show he's in trouble and that the main issue is the coronavirus. so, they know he needs to get hold of it. they do find it better that he's out front addressing it, in a way he hadn't been until two, three weeks ago where he was trying to pretend to move on, now he's -- >> peter, i'm so sorry to interrupt you. you were ahead of me on that. the president is coming out. let's listen to see what he says today. >> i'd like to begin by providing an update on my administration's actions to protect american workers as we battle the china virus. since the virus escaped china, my administration has enacted $3 trillion in economic relief. it's been very, very successful and you saw that by the numbers that were is

. >> on that note, here for our leadoff discussion on a tuesday night, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times." alexi mccammond, political reporter for axios. and errin haines, a ten-year veteran of the a.p. where she last covered race in society, these days editor at large for the 19th, a nonprofit, nonpartisan newsroom focused on gender, politics, policy. it happened to go live this week at 19thnews.org. good evening and welcome to you all. peter, because it's your day-to-day beat, i'd like to begin with you. the president devoted about half the briefing to non-virus topics. on things like beirut, since the start of the modern era, presidents have had confidential briefings in the oval office from the generals, as he called them. they have not made a custom of going to the briefing room and spewing the theories voiced in confidence in the oval office as he did today. also he is coming off the positively pescian remark "it is what it is." maybe not the best way to describe a death toll of 150,000 souls. >> yeah, it seems like every single day he's giving

"the new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. donna edwards and cornell belcher. >> let's talk about the numbers, if you're advising this ticket in that living room, in delaware, socially distanced yes, what are the pitfalls, what would you warn them about as you look at the numbers across the country, do you believe any of the numbers this far out? >> those are all really good questions. let's start with the numbers. couple things, one is the numbers that you're seeing joe biden garner now across the battlegrounds and national are unprecedented for a democrat, as you know brian, for democrats historically don't garner and hold a ten-point, 12-point, 13-point lead not over a couple weeks but a month here, four, six, seven weeks here, joe biden, since lbj signed the civil rights legislation, it's been hard to do that. so something is changing. suburb sub there's structurally things that are different about the polling and data here that are unique and he's garnering sort of the energy that i think this ticket brings, one of the th

. >>> joining our conversation now political report lexie mchammon and peter baker. lexie, i understand you sat in on some interesting focus groups last night. tell us about them. >> that's right, nicolle. thank you and brian for having me today. i sat in on a focus group with seven republican women who voted for president trump. four of those women said they'll vote for joe biden, three are undecided. they're all in pennsylvania. nicolle, the thing that was fascinating was hearing the personal stories from these women backing up why they're not supporting president trump. the coronavirus has changed a lot of things for this women. it's changed for a lot of people around the country. these women are talking about how their husband's businesses are going under. they're talking about pre-existing conditions they have and how they're afraid to leave their homes. they're talking about the mental health issues they're experiencing being stuck at home. becau they're talking about the daily toll it's taking on these lives. these women are talking about personal intimate thi

kelly, thanks very much. >>> let me bring in peter baker. peter, your interview with the president this week revealed yet another issue for the president that he has not been able to figure out, which is how to articulate a second term agenda. i've got to put up the money quote here. but so i think -- i think it would be -- i think it would be very, very -- i think we would have a very, very solid. we could continue what we've been doing. we would solidify what we have done and we have other things on our plate that want to get done. i know it was done over the telephone. i assume that is a correct transcript there. i'll tell you, i didn't hear much of what a second term would look like other than, hey, if you like what i did, you'll like what i'll do. >> yes, more of the same basically. he cut taxes, increased military spending, he eliminated regulations, he put conservative judges on the court and he'll do more of that. that's basically what he's saying. there's no new vision of what the next four years would bring other than a continuation

peter baker, alexi mccammond, dr. irwin redelener. >>> being called nasty by the president puts senator harris in something of an elite club, rarefied air, if you would, being called radically left by the trump campaign was to be expected. we'll ask former congresswoman donna edwards if that's the best they've got against this formidible woman from california. >>> kurt anderson takes on the question, where have we been all these years, all of us, while a country took a turn to the south? the 11th hour just getting started on this consequential tuesday night. audible is my road-trip companion. it's kind of my quiet, alone time. audible is a routine for me. it's like a fun night school for adults. i could easily be seduced into locking myself into a place where i do nothing but listen to books. i never was interested in historical fiction before, but i'm obsessed with it now. there are a lot of like, classic and big titles that i feel like i missed out since i don't have time to read, mean i might as well listen. if i w

kimberly atkins, peter baker, brittany packnett cunningham, our thanks for staying up late with us and being with us tonight. >>> coming up, obama veterans robert gibbs, david plouffe join us with their take on night one. our special coverage continues after this break. tinues after this break >>> they want to destroy this country and everything that we have fought for and hold dear. they want to steal your liberty, your freedom. they want to control what you see and think and believe so that they can control how you live. >> kimberly guilfoyle yelling over the crowd noise, though, the crowd was not there this year. the "associated press" explains the president's convention strategy this way. quote, trump is looking to shift his campaign away from being a referendum on a presidency ravaged by a pandemic, an economic collapse, and toward a choice between vastly different visions of america's future. that was written before tonight's night one. back with us again tonight, two veterans of the obama white house, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager and senior adviser. his latest wo

>> peter baker, there was a deal mentioned. i hear deal and i hear donald trump and all his attacks on flippers and rats. he sits atop the department of justice which calls those people cooperating witnesses to prosecute federal crimes. what do you think donald trump really thinks? usually when someone close to him is indicted he starts saying really nice things about them so they don't do what dan goldman just said, a deal. >> yeah, really nice things about them or distancing himself from them. >> right, i never knew him. >> he said he worked for the campaign for a short amount of time and hadn't had anything to do with him since he left. we don't know that the president had anything to do with this scam obviously, but who knows what steve bannon might know and might try to raise with prosecutors if that turns out to be a negotiating tactic. i don't know. he has said things in the past in which he has offered his theories about president trump and russia that don't always sound flattering. i don't know that he has the evidence

peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times." and brittany packnett cunningham, former member of president obama's 21st century policing task force. welcome to you all. peer peter, i'd like to begin with your beat, and that is the trump white house. i want to begin with some comments from the president today in north carolina. we'll discuss on the other side. >> if you want to really drive them crazy, you say 12 more years. >> 12 more years! >> we have to be very careful because they're trying it again with this whole 80 million mail-in ballots that they're working on, sending them out to people that didn't ask for them. this time they're trying to do it with the whole post office scam. they'll blame it on the post office. the only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election. we're going to win this election. what they're doing is using covid to steal an election. >> right! >> they're using covid to defraud the american people, all of our people. >> so, peter, this is the president who promised a p

and not a lot of "there" there in these presidential memoranda, essentially. >> peter baker, we have covered a lot of white houses, you and i. never seen a president in the united states in the midst of this sort of standoff at his golf course. not just playing golf but said to be a -- started with "hail to the chief." holding drinks, not wearing masks when they first came in coming into that ballroom in violation of the new jersey state guidelines. do you want to unpack that a bit? >> i think that basically sums it up. look, he cannot have these campaign rallies that give him such energy, that this weekend was his subs stutitute. a handful of people cheering him on while he takes on the press and democrats. not much of a substitute for a president who drinks in the adulation of a big arena full of 20,000 people. but that's the best he can do right now with the coronavirus. you know, he's in a position where he wants to turn the tables on congress and make it about how they have screwed up and he's the only one taking action by signing these executive orders, buts a others have menti

peter baker, alexi mccammond, dr. irwin redelener. >>> being called nasty by the president puts senator harris in something of an elite club, rarefied air, if you would, being called radically left by the trump campaign was to be expected. we'll ask former congresswoman donna edwards if that's the best they've got against this formidible woman from california. >>> kurt anderson takes on the question, where have we been all these years, all of us, while a country took a turn to the south? the 11th hour just getting started on this consequential tuesday night. started on this c esday night. hey, can i... hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! he's here. he's right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that's totally him. - it's him! that's totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote tod

i want to ask peter baker and jonathan lemire and michael steele one last question. raised earlier. and that is, i'll start with you, peter. how can donald trump and his republican party campaign against the american carnage that is strewn across american streets and in the united states economy and with this pandemic -- how do they campaign against something that donald trump owns as president of the united states? >> yeah, it's a great question. obviously a president who is running for re-election after four years owned whatever is happening in the country, whether it's his fault or not. that's true, we've seen that time and time again. and it's -- there's not a lot of history where the president winning a second term as far back as this president is, this state of the campaign with this set of numbers on the virus and the economic situation, but, you know, i think what you're going to see again is a president who's trying to make this a choice not a referendum, because of the virus, because joe biden has been out of sight through much of the spring the focus is on

. >> joining me now is peter baker. chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and an nbc news political analyst and peter, what do you make of this, both the chances of it happening and why the president woul want to do it in the first place? >> it's a great question, obviously. politically, you have to wonder what the thinking is according to the reporting nbc has put out there, he'd like to use such a summit meeting in order to talk about progress made in arms control. we have a treaty that expires next year, the new start treaty that was negotiated under president obama. there have been no known progress to date about either renewing that or renegotiating that. but it's an important issue and he'd like to show what he can do for a second term and the last few days, he's been talking about how he will do more to bring middle east countries together with israel as the uae just did. he said he would negotiate a new nuclear control agreement with iran within 30 days of being re-elected. he's trying to sort

peter baker and jeremy peters, thank you both for your reporting. on "morning joe," more on the dnc, one of the 17 rising stars slated to speak, the former mayor of south bend, indiana, pete buttigieg is standing by. he joins the conversation next. and the question is whether a virtual party gathering will bring ability the kind of moments that joe and meacham were discussing that we've seen in the past on the convention flow. we have this report. >>. >> covid is affecting everything in america including the tradition that every four years political enthusists will gather to choose a candidate for president of the united states. not this year. for decades political conventions were a forum for history making surprises. 1968, chicago, outside the convention hall rage against the democratic machine. a war against the war. pitch battles between cops and young protesters. inside the democrats went after each other. >> and with george mcgovern as president of the united states, we wouldn't have to have these tactics in the streets of chicago. >> mr. dail

from the weekend politics, peter baker chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and msnbc analyst joins us as well, and white house reporter for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor. peter, let's start with the latest report. what does this practically mean for oversight? >> well, one thing we've seen throughout four years now almost of the trump administration is a persistent refusal and resistance to the kind of oversight we're used to from congress. they view congress as being meddlesome and interfering. the president when i talked to him the other day complained and said he's gotten 300 subpoenas and they're basically, in his view, harassing him. but there's a long tradition of congress overseeing the federal government, particularly the intelligence agencies. and the idea that they're now resisting or refusing at least on some level to provide some of these briefings is a rather remarkable moment. there's no way for congress to enforce his will unless there's agreement for the two houses to do something with money. that's one area to have leverage to pass a law

peter baker, thank you very much. never delay in our answers, thank you so much. >>> joining me now, a senator that questioned the attorney general on many matters. you questioned him when he testified before the house judiciary committee. there were heated exchanges there. let's hear part of that. >> what am i supposed to say to my constituents when they ask me if the government has done everything in its power to protect their loved ones from dying? you tell me, mr. barr. what am i supposed to tell them? >> i would tell them that managing this kind of thing requires a lot of difficult choices, weighing difficult consequences. >> i'm not going to lie. i'm not going to lie to my constituents. i'm going to tell them that president donald trump and the attorney general working together, they're not following health guidelines, they're letting americans die needlessly because of political reasons. >> so what was your take away from his response? how did you interpret it? >> well, alex, let me just say that i come from la

and here's how "the times" peter baker describes the president's handling of race in america. in responding to the debate over racial justice, he has characteristically sought confrontation rather than calm, disparaging the black lives matter movement, blaming street violence on what he calls radical democrats, and presenting himself as a stalwart defender of the police. trump said his second term would be similar to all of that. that is the case he wants to make. meanwhile, joe biden and kamala harris are taking a different approach to those crises. as part of his general election rollout, biden called for a national mask mandate. last week he said he would shut down the country if scientists recommended doing so to fight the virus. and biden says he'll only hold in-person campaign events if they are safe. biden plans on holding in-person events after labor day in battleground states. he specifically cited pennsylvania, arizona, wisconsin, and minnesota, all swing states, but he said the events had to be consistent with the state rules about how many people can be assembled.

. >> peter baker, let's take a step back here. is this domestic ukraine? mean, is this the president meddling in the same way, he thought he had a great idea to meddle with biden and he ended up getting himself impeached by what he did in ukraine. i feel like he's doing the same thing, he's sort of using his power in ways that no one's ever tried before for political benefit, going through the postal service, i mean, again, is this domestic ukraine? >> it's an interesting comparison. he's not acting like somebody who doesn't have a stake in this. he's not acting like somebody who's simply concerned about the capacity of the postal service and the integrity of the system. he's acting like somebody who is trying to damage credibility in an election that he's currently losing according to the polls, right? if somebody is really concerned about the integrity of the mail-in voting process, then you would think he would be moving all out to try to do something to shore it up, to make sure it was going to be safe, make sure it was going to be efficient, make sure

peter baker with seaport so it was a apparently they were there are some boats they had where there are some wounded people as they are trying to do that 100 people from the boats and from the surrounding area we're not sure at all still how big it is that they're stalled and how many wanted but for sure we have seen now down 15 facias being taken from the east side of the slow motion and there's a lot of glass because the explosion there was a lot of pressure from the slow certains that i don't know where the special comes thongs but it was this very strong so therefore over a larger radius glass was flying everywhere in the city and therefore the number of people who were wounded something last so how far away are you then from where the explosion happened and where you also possibly in danger from flying glass and debris yes i am about to you know meters away and in this state yes there was considerable destruction you know 2 to the residential areas and the commotion of the civilian infrastructure was damaged i could say the damage is pretty serious and you know i have to remind you

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peter baker, former congresswoman, donna edwards. pollster, cornell belcher. cornell, the conversation, as all of them do, eventually, returns back to you. let's talk about the campaign malpractice that weap witnessedn 2016. 2020 hindsight rules are in effect, of course, and how in your view this ticket at least addresses some of that. >> look, not only the drop-offs in turnout, which steve showed earlier, but when you've got 828 to 7% of african-americans under 30 who are part of that core group of voters who help expand the electorate for president obama voting third party, you know, hillary's margins of being off of a obama's margins are almost exactly in the percentages of those younger voters who have voted third party and we know from the primaries upward that biden was having some problems with energizing that younger vote. brian, that younger vote was critical to barack obama getting to his first majority and second majority. 11% of our electorate in 2018 were newer voters who were not participating in that process before. and part of our conversation

and peter baker, thank you very much as well. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," the impact of covid-19don't know. before we go to break "the washington post" is again highlighting the urgent case of freelance journalist austin tice. during his last summer as a georgetown university law student, tice travelled to syria to document that conflict, eight years ago this week he was taken captive and has been missing ever since. the post's publisher and chief executive fred ryan is calling on president trump, just as he did with president obama, to stand up for america's values and bring austin home safely without further delay. ryan writes today is austin's 39th birthday and he will celebrate it as he has the previous seven, alone and imprisoned thousands of miles away from his family, friends and the country he served. no american deserves this. and no one who believes in in the values of a free press should tolerate it. >> amen. >> we'll be right back. e it. >> amen. >> we'll be right back ♪ ♪ ♪ the open road is open again. and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct a

peter baker we're talking about the election.e've been talking about the coronavirus and the spread of the coronavirus. earlier this week you talked about something that could be a real problem for americans right now. we're all looking forward to that vaccine, we want a vaccine, the president keeps pushing a vaccine. almost hoping it seems that it would be his october surprise. but there's a real concern, a growing concern from doctors and from the medical community and scientists that if it's pushed too hard and too fast, and enough regulatory hurdles are pushed through, that there's a possibility if it's rushed to market that that vaccine may not be safe. tell us the concerns that you raised in your story. >> right, exactly. this would be a fraught debate under normal circumstances. at what point do you say we need to go through the full trial, process for a new drug, something six months versus let's short circuit because people are dying right now. if you go all the way through a phrase three trial that would take you into t

peter baker wrote this today, how many ways are there to say that this is not normal. of course long ago redefined what constitutes normal in the white house. but with 77 days left in the campaign that polls show he is losing, he is pushing all of the boundaries at once. now, running as the incumbent, he has levers of power available to help salvage a flagging campaign. and donald trump's pattern of conduct in recent weeks proves the pound. autocratic style overreach, coopting more federal agencies for his own political gain. like the department of homeland security and the crackdowns on protester in cities run by democrats or a military for a photo op after clearing of mostly peaceful protesters and the purge of inspector generals across multiple agencies. he replaced five of them in the span of a few weeks and triped to bear the departure on friday night. and commuting the sentence of an ally who committed crimes on trump's behalf and openly pressuring the justice department to drop the case against mike flynn. not to mention trump's recent warning to attorney genera

story that notes rather directly that clinton's own party has left him behind, adam nagourney and peter bakerthe new york times," and we quote. this will be the first democratic convention since the 1980s where mr. clinton will be little more than a bystander. it's a lot to think about and talk about and back with us the sometimes ragin' but always entertaining cajun james carville. he's a democratic strategist who rose to national fame with the clinton presidential campaign. these days co-host of the 2020 politics war room podcast. that line always gets to gene robinson. also eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for "the washington post" is back with us. gentlemen, welcome to you both. james, i'm going to start with you because you were top of mind tonight. i know the clintons brung you to the national political dance. are you at peace with what is emerging as the fact that this is no longer their party and you could argue that era started when those first sad souls started walking out of the javits center that night after the 2016 election? >> there was as. difference between t

. >> michael, if we can put this graphic up from an interview peter baker did with the president today. the president was asked for his second term agenda. and this is a mine field, but i'm going to very carefully try to quote it. i think, i think it would be -- i think it would be very, very -- i think we'd have a very, very solid -- we would continue what we're doing. we'd solidify what we've done and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done. first of all, michael, you're going to need a bigger bumper. but, secondly, is this just -- >> you do this to me, brian. you do this to me, man, every time. >> does -- does he need a thesis statement for such a -- a bas base-centric event? >> okay, let me collect myself. so if you can -- if they can put that back up, i'll tell you what the -- the most important thing in what he said there, and it's at the end. when he says, we have other things on our plate that we want to get done. people, you have been forewarned. and he has foretold what's coming. if you think what he's done -- you think tonight was a spectacle and a violati

. >>> "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker spoke with the president this week and asked about his agenda for a potential second term. the president's answer was less than clear. baker writes this, quote, trump rattled off a list of what he hz done line i increasing military spending, eliminating regulations, reenforcing the border and appointing conservative judges. trump told him, quote, i think it would be very, very i think we'd have a very, very solid, we would continue what we're doing, we'd solidify what we have done and we have other things b our plate that we want to get done. so joe biden told attendees at a virtual fundraiser he will resume campaign travel after labor day next month. making stops in some of the most competitive states in the country. he said this, we plan on without jep dieding or violenting state rules about how many people can assemble. one of the things we're thinking about is going to be going up into wisconsin and minnesota, spending time in pennsylvania, out in arizona. but we're going to do it in a way that's totally consistent

and i also, robert, want to read you the work of peter baker in today's "the new york times."s is adjacent. after watching president trump systematically demolish many of his achievements mr. obama has almost as much at stake in this year's campaign as his former president and his 2020 presidential nominee joe biden does. a second chance to redeem his legacy and prove to history that mr. trump's election was an anomaly not a permanent repudiation. robert, all that leaves out in making it personal both can be true at the same time -- all that leaves out is by the way, folks, your democracy is in danger. >> well, and i think he did a remarkable job setting out the stakes of what is on the line in november. and i agree with david. i've heard that line of fierce urgency of now from barack obama so many times, and you could feel it -- i thought he was overcome by emotion walking us through that argument. i think it was also important if you take this back to his 2004 speech, he also attacks the cynicism of letting this moment get the most of you and what you have to do to pull your

want to bring in peter baker from "the new york times" and nbc news political analyst. good morning to you. afternoon to you. also, yjasmine. peter, want to start with you. we heard josh say the white house confident t going to face legal challenges. the president usually says this when he makes an executive order. pretty confident it's going to withstand any challenges. so what happens now? walk us through this, especially when you have americans that are desperate to see some of this money even though it's only a $400 versus $600 extension on the unemployment insurance. >> great question. the question on some of these things, you could understand who and why they would want to challenge it. on the other hand, do you want to go to court to prevent americans from getting this $400 if they need it. even if it's not as much as a democrat might be. that puts the democrats in an interesting situation as well. they don't want to be responsible for holding up something even though they think uninstituticonstitutional or a of the separation of powers. mind you, this money is ta

. >> so, "the new york times" white house correspondent peter baker later pointed out that the movementhe cause. tweeting this, white house blames rise in homicides in certain cities in from at one time 19 to the year on budget cuts that were not proposed just in the last few weeks. >>> i want to shift gears and get a check on your weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. good morning, bill. >> yasmin, did you see the pictures of the tornado yesterday from the tropical storm? i mean, it was impressive, to say the least. it actually won't go down as a tornado outbreak. a tornado outbreak is ten or more. yesterday, we had 16. we had two fatalities related to that one that happened the 1:15 in the morning. right as the storm was making landfall. that was horrific. and we had a total of six fatalities storm-related yesterday. many areas of the mid-atlantic, a lot of downed trees. we had two fatalities from that. we had one car that got swiped off the road driving in too high of water and there was a fatality in that as also. what are we doing today? the cool weather is not going to quite

doctor, thank you, peter baker, thank you as well for sticking around with us. "the beat" starts right now as we wait for the president to take questions. hi there, ari. >> hi there. welcome to "the beat." let me tell you what we have. we are monitoring the briefing from the president. he is currently giving updates on the federal coronavirus response. there's no medical experts there. and based on what we've heard thus far, we have not heard any information. we are not carrying this part of the presentation. if news breaks, we'll bring it to you. if there's a question, answer period where they're able to question the president, which we've seen in the briefings, we'll bring you that as well. let me begin with the facts. the united states is approaching 5 million covid cases. over 159,000 americans dead in this pandemic. another day passing in washington without any deal to provide extension for the relief that congress had said was necessary for these millions of americans who are jobless or facing evictions, or in some cases, both. there are negotiations ongoi

[laughter] this analysis piece from peter baker, who writes "nothing in the u.s.onstitution gives president trump the power to delay the november election and even fellow republicans dismissed it out of hand when he broached the subject on thursday. but that wasn't the point, with possible defeat looming, the point was to tell americans that they shouldn't trust their own democracy and he wrote that the idea of putting off the boat was the culmination of months of discrediting the election that polls suggest mr. trump is losing by a wide margin, the kind of language that resonates with cranks and defeated candidates, not incumbents in the white house. never before has the sitting president of the united states sought to undermine faith in the election system the way that mr. trump has. the latest step in the residence effort to discredit the election, risking long-term damage to public trust in the system. jenny, stow, ohio. caller: good morning, steve. how are you? host: good, how are you? caller: i just want to give you my opinion, ok? it took me three, been goi

peter baker interviewed him and we're going to be looking at that interview. also the latest out of kenosha, wisconsin coming up next. absolute chaos there over the past several nights. i think it was a little more quiet last night but we'll get the latest. you're watching "morning joe" we'll be right back. ching "morn we'll be right back. aded, choice hotels is there. book direct at choicehotels.com. ♪ ♪ ♪ did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance ta-da! ♪ so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper. know what? i'm gonna switch now. just need my desk... my chair... and my phone. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ book two separate qualifying stays and earn a free night. the open road is open again. and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct at choicehotels.com. and lookentertainmentoured, cexperience: xfinity x1. it's the easiest way to watch live tv and all your favorite streaming apps. plus, x1 also includes peacock pre

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peter: and baker, you ran one night what right after roosevelt david: yes.or the mostt dramatic moments n the whole story is when truman, the evening of roosevelt's death, summoned from the white house by the press secretary steve ehrlichman truman was having a drink with sam. vote was known as the board of education. the hideaway. somehow side. we would meet after work every day for a drink. and i'm getting the message that he was to come at once. the white house and left raburn's office ran back to his own office onto his vice president's office on the senate side. i wanted to make it run. for one thing, i wanted to do it in order to find out what time he was dependent various places. knew how fast he walked. so you don't how long it took him to walk over and a time to walk the vice president's office over to the hideaway. you can't just start running through the capital. so i called baker and i asked him if he could arrange for me to make the run the same time. i said oh, i know what you want to do that. he said, yes, i will arrange but only the condition

peter, for taking the time to do. this i'm looking forward to our conversation and i am really looking forward to your book. james baker is one of the great figures in american diplomacy. i very much look forward to that. yes, this is really a challenging time. some of us were old enough, we'll say that we've been through other challenging times. i was a child in 1968. and in 1968 we had two political assassinations. we had riots and watts and the tet offensive and when he all kinds of trouble and crisis. and so i think it's important to look back with perspective that we have survived other crisis before. but why is this one different? it's different because this hundred seen enemy, this unseen threat of the virus is so ubiquitous among the population and it is very difficult for government to get control of the habits of 330 million people. the fact is that what we're asking here is that because we're very individualistic people, because we're a society that easy to govern, we're actually asking individual americans to make good decisions. and i think we sometimes forget that whatever organization of government we mi