let's bring in white house correspondent for "the new york times" and political analyst, peter baker and also jonathan lemire still with us despite staying up late last night watching that extraordinary red sox game. >> it never stopped. >> so anyway, let's talk, peter baker, about cipollone. the fact that went in and testified. and according to jackie alemany, it was a free flowing give and take testimony, there weren't a lot of parameters set in place. >> well i think what you just said joe is probably the most important part of it, which is if the testimony in fact did not conflict or contradict what the commit has already heard and presented to us in the public. that is very significant. because we've heard a lot about pat cipollone and how he resisted the extreme ideas of the president and the people around the president tried to put in place. he called the idea to get the legislature to decertify and send separate electors a murder-suicide pact and he threatened to resign over the idea of martial law or appointing a special counsel or voti weeks ago that he said that the presid

attorney, and peter baker and former rnc chairman michael steele.now if you have had that kind of intensive audit. they say it's very rare. for these two men, both of whom have the same job and both were on trump's enemy list, to both be audited is a one in 82 million probability, according to "the new york times." what say you? >> well, i haven't had the pleasure of an irs audit. perhaps something to look forward to, andrea. the statistics tell you that this is highly, highly unusual. the statistics don't tell you that it's improper. michael steele could win the lottery. it's extremely unlikely he will do that. he could win the lottery twice. that's a small chance. but winning it twice has happened. it's statistically possible. the only real answer i have right now is, highly unusual, statistically and mathematically. we should turn it over to the treasury inspector general and let that person figure it out. we don't know right now. it would be conjecture. the math looks daunting. >> peter baker, this "new york times" report by your colleague micha

peter baker joins us -- chief white house correspondent for the new york times. barb mcquade is here, a veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. she worked with the doj during the biden transition and is a professor at the university of michigan school of law. and maria teresa kumar is here, president and ceo of voto latino, also an msnbc contributor. madam mcquade, let's start with you. cipollone, he was with the committee for what was essentially an entire workday, almost eight hours! how nervous should trump be? that's a long time. >> it is a long time, stephanie. and as we heard, he did not assert privileges. and that's probably, in part, because they had agreed before, in the negotiation, about the four areas he was going to talk about. meetings with members of congress, meetings with john eastman, meetings with doj and what he referred to as the murder suicide pact, and the events of january 6th itself. and so for eight hours, they talked about those four things. that suggests to me that they got a lot of det

and the oath keepers to go forward from there, that's something i would keep an eye out to. >> peter baker, i can't even keep track, maybe hearing seven so far we have seen and they have built upon each other. how is the committee doing right now? do they feel like they're breaking through? over the weekend i heard adam kinzinger, who is on the panel asked why republicans don't seem to be changing their minds on this. his response was he thinks on the fringes people are being convinced but ultimately it's still the republican politicians who are continuing to lie to their constituents about what happened on january 20th and what happened on january 6th and what happened in the 2020 election that's keeping those folks, that bulk of voters out there, from accepting reality. >> yeah. i mean, these hearings are incredibly important to bear witness to what happened, to document this for history. this shouldn't be allowed to fade into the past without really understanding what happened on this extraordinary day when a sitting president and his allies tried to overturn a democratic, free and fair

want to bring in peter baker standing by as well. peter, if you would just kind of talk to me, what else you know and can add as we're learning now of the president testing positive for covid this morning. >> yeah, yasmin, i was on that trip with the president last week to the middle east. i thought we saw there basically how covid is sort of haunting this president in a way because they take covid very seriously as jen psaki told you and have a lot of protocols and testing, they -- the staff will walk around the white house with colored bands on the days that they have their tests if they're going to be in a meeting with the president and take it seriously. a lot of meetings are still done by zoom even now and yet you see on this trip that we saw in israel and saudi arabia a president who, you know, is intermingling with people in a very, you know, robust way, right? we saw that again in his domestic trip just yesterday in massachusetts. when he gets off the plane of air force one they told us maybe he won't shake hands because of th

peter baker joins me now, so does washington journalist heidi pryzbilla.antime, i want to say, you have brand-new reporting on many members of former president trump's legal team. give me your reaction to these new subpoenas. >> if it looks like they're turning in on the legal team, peter mitchell specifically is mentioned. he was on that phone call in which former president trump asked former secretary of the state brad raffarins burger to find him 11,000 extra votes. my new reporting is how there is a push now not only to target the attorneys who were on that first rupg supporting president trump's bogus election fraud and filing lawsuits in a number of states, also all of the attorneys that played a leading ro el in that, chris, who you don't hear about. that is my story today. that there is a bigger circle here of individuals that haven't been penalized. there were some sanctions handed down in michigan, chris. but that's under appeal right now. all of these other cases, where i looked at were the so-called kraken cases. these are the cases that sydney

let's bring in chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker. peter, again, this is prime time. 8:00 p.m. thursday night. as of now, the final hearing, although there could be more. if more evidence comes in. but what could we expect so far this thursday? >> reporter: yeah, i think, mika, you put your finger on it. for a lot of republicans and people who are trump's own advisers, the breaking point wasn't even that he had been calling the election a fraud, up until this point, the breaking news wasn't that he had been summoning the crowd to washington or given that rather unciteful speech. and the dereliction of duty as liz cheney called it, it was the final straw. to watch a president sit back and allow his own supporters, some of them armed, to be storming the capitol of the united states trying to interrupt the finalization of an election was what finally drove them to the point that they couldn't take it any longer. and matt pottinger was there for four years and sarah matthews was there for a long time. they tried to make the trump administr

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to bring a chief white house correspondent for the new york times and nbc news political analyst peter bakerpeter, this is really where both the political and the medical collide. i'm talking about the president's age. that's something you wrote extensively about a couple of weeks ago, although all the days went together for me. maybe it was just a few days ago. talk about the political applications a little more about the president's age and the concerns that the white house staff has given the politics surrounding his age.>> obviously, it's not what the white house would have wanted. they are already struggling with this issue. he is a 79-year-old man, the oldest president we have ever had, a year older than country to keep him in office until he's 86 years old. as mike memoli said earlier, there's no time machine that's going to put him back in time. the best thing to do is show him as an active, vigorous president as best they can. one thing they wanted to do was put him back out on the road, get him out there campaigning where he could meet and greet and enjoy the crowd. obviously that

joining us is peter baker. r years at the moscow bureau chief for "the washington post." you have a lot of moscow experience. peter, you write about this proposed swap for griner and whelan for the notorious arms dealer and the challenges this faces. you wrote, dangerous criminals for civilians whose real crime is being caught up in the wrong place, wrong time, international intrigue. that's the way you have to frame it. the president is agreeing to give up someone that law enforcement went to thailand to try to capture and bring back. a 25-year sentence. it's most likely the only way to get griner and whelan home. >> it's an imbalance that certainly is uncomfortable in any of these swaps we have seen in the past. are they equivalent or made to see equivalent? an arms dealer who traded to al qaeda andtreists over the years hardly qualifies as equivalent. that leaves everybody feeling awkward. the truth of the matter is at this point, american government tends to put a higher priority on its own citizens than it

and i can tell you my opinion is no. >> and jimmy, peter baker did talk to some experts who called him a super ager saying that he's actually more fit than what you would expect, which is interesting. [laughter] but when nicole talks about, you know, republicans and democrats having this conversation, the very interesting part are the democrats. the democrats are the ones having this conversation. the voices are getting louder, and the vice president was just recently asked about this. take a listen. >> there is speculation among some democrats and some republicans that president biden won't run for reelection in 2024. what's your message to those who say that? >> listen to president biden. he intends to run, and if he does, i intend to run with him. [laughter] >> so there you go. >> okay. >> so he intends to run, and if he intends to run -- >> can we just acknowledge she has the ultimate don't hit it to me face? like the little kid don't hit it to me. you are the vice president. they are always going to hit it to you. she always acts surprised. there is no serious person who thinks he

let's get some help from the legal panel peter baker, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times, and barbara mcquade, a veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. with the doj during the biden transition and is a professor at the university of michigan school. it's good to see you. here is how the select committee's former advisor, summed up the story now cassidy hutchinson. take a look. >> the attacks are hitting her right now, the fact that she was getting text messages are phone calls to try to persuade or to do the right thing, it just shows you that ecosystem looks like and the kind of pressure they can put to you when they say, hey, i said it before, kind of like the godfather type of negotiation. we are going to give you a deal you can't refuse, or whatever, but if you can do, that they will come after you. >> barb, putting aside his horrible paraphrasing of that iconic line from the godfather, does this pressure helped build a case for witness hampering? >> absolutely. i think that most often

well, joining me now is peter baker, msnbc political analyst and chief white house correspondent for w york times. peter, welcome, my friend. we'll remind viewers that your book is coming up september, i wish it would've been mind to, instead you wrote it with your wife, susan. it's gonna be so good. you have a lot of behind the scenes insight. when you look at those outtakes, for example, i mean, it's still kind of feels unreal in a way or at minimum, unpresidential and very trumpian. what is your take away from that day after speech? >> well, it just shows he was obviously not bothered by the january 6th attack on the capitol the way everyone else in washington was. in other words, he's not really showing any remorse. he's not showing any sense of being upset. you know, he is still focused entirely on claiming the election was stolen, on claiming that he was actually reelected the president and finding some way, if he could, in these last 13 days in office that he had, it's hanging on to office. i think oh seen a president who is singlemindedly focused on his own political power and

peter baker joins us, chief white house correspondent for the new york times. barbara mcquade is here, a veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. and former senator heidi heitkamp, north dakota's first elected female senator, she served on the senate banking committee and she is also the founder of a one country project, a group that helps rural communities. barb, i got to go to you first. this committee seems a very interested in trump's cabinet members. what are they up to? >> well, i think with regards to mike pompeo, as a secretary of defense. he in particular is someone that i can understand why you would want to talk to him. remember, at the last hearing, we heard how donald trump did nothing for the 187 minutes that the capitol was under attack. we heard from chief of staff of the joint chief of staff, mark milley, who we have not heard from mark pompeo, at the department of defense. and so to the extent that there was any requests and or communication, at the defense department, that would be the place to

joining me tonight to discuss this and more, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," and joining me in studio, tia mitchell, and pete: --pete mitchell. we got to see a little bit about what a post-roe america might look like this week. pete: what's happening in the states is we know the supreme court says the federal constitution does not provide a right to abortion. now the question is -- do state constitutions provide a read that the federal does not? we are seeing the trigger laws that were put in place while roe was in effect that said once abortion is struck down, abortion is banned, and second the, laws that were on the books before roe was in the supreme court that have just been sitting there idling now coming to life. there is no explicit right to privacy in the u.s. constitution -- in a sense, that is sort of what the controversy is about. many of these state country -- constitutions actually use the p word. they actually say laws guarantee a right to privacy. in florida, texas, utah, there's discussion about family rights, parental rights, pers

let's dive into this rather with peter baker, chief white house correspondent of the new york times. so peter, we just told more talk about that plan to michigan to celebrate an investment in computer production here at home. is there going to be a broader impact of this rebound case on the politics that are playing right now? >> well look, it is not something the white house was hoping, for obviously. you have a president who is 79, oldest present in american history. they are very sensitive about that, elect showing he is fit despite that, especially because he's talking it running for a second term. i think more immediately, as we just heard, he wants to get back out on the road. doing a lot of foreign travel lately, and by this point in the summer the goal was to really start traveling domestically to make the case for his fellow democrats, in the midterms. they were real soft road to hoe in the house, especially. and i think the president felt that if he'd out there and talk to the american people in a more robust way, but you can make a difference. i was that has been postponed

even in the promise i was like, wait a minute, there is peter baker?ave a trump last name? he will have something to add, we will ask him about that. thank, you my friend. have a good sunday. >> thank you, you too. >> thank you. >> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin with this breaking news. president biden making some new remarks on the abortion right, and the activists who are calling for more white house action. let's play what he said, just moments ago. >> yes, keep protesting. keep making your point. it is critically important. we can do a lot of things to accommodate the rights of women, in the meantime, fundamentally, the only thing that will change is if we have a wall to reinstate roe v. wade. ultimate goal is to reinstate roe v. wade's national wall, by passing in the united states congress, and i will sign at the moment that happens. mister p

peter baker, thank you. susan del percio good to see you. still ahead. committee, congressman adam smith joins us on a trip to kyiv. we'll talk to him about the latest in the war in ukraine as russia forces attack the capitol city for the first time in weeks. >>> plus, donald trump brings the controversial saudi-backed lived golf tour back to new jersey. and the former president himself defending against criticism by making false claims about 9/11. we'll go live to bed minister as the weekend tournament tees off. the weekend tournament tes off. it's a storm that crashes, and consumes, replacing thought with worry. but one thing can calm uncertainty. an answer. uncovered through exploration, teamwork, and innovation. an answer that leads to even more answers. mayo clinic. you know where to go. finding the perfect developer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in prague between the ideal cup of coffee and a truly impressive synthesizer collection. and you can find her right now (lepsi?) on upwork.com (lepsi.) when the world is your workforce, fi

the most recent article by peter baker laying out the fears inside the white house and among party elitesat joe isn't up to the job physically and cognitively but the results are disastrous. when you have 64% of your own party saying please don't run in 2024 and you have lost the base that you've catered to the entire time, you are effectively persona non grata. everyone inside the white house knows it. they love power. you want to be in the inner circle of power. they'll find rationalizations like a match-up with donald trump to justify the continued existence. but neither the capabilities or his record give any comfort to democrats who are looking for an alternative. it is very unclear who in the world that alternative would be. they aren't looking at the vice president and not looking inside the cabinet. they have serious bench problems. >> harris: that's the big problem. you can pull trump forward. you only help him by doing that by the way. he is not in the white house, biden is. so now you are going to pick on the other guy while many things are going wrong within the administration

in conversation with jonathan this afternoon would be another veteran white house reporter, peter baker of the "new york times." peter has authored several books himself on the presidencies of clinton, bush and obama and co-author to macbooks with his wife susan glasser who's now with the new yorker including one about the early years of vladimir putin's will and a biography last year of james baker. he and susan are currently working on their own book about the trump years. jonathan peter take it away. >> thank you very much for hosting this today, and thank you to lisa who is also working on a book, and can't wait to read that. anybody who doesn't know brad and alyssa are former colleagues of mine and my wife's of the "washington post" and, of course, all the best and most extraordinary bookstore in america, so we're so glad you have become such an important place for people to gather, talk about big books like john's here. john, i want stop icing for civil i love your book. "betrayal" is a great book. anybody who's watching the should buy it. buy for christmas, for your parents come

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speak to you as you touched on in the beginning, as peter baker pointed out in that article, it's hislic appearances that have fueled that perception. he touches on the clear confusion and the gas and things that have real policy for us. that they have to clean up, that's a lot we are seeing. this isn't just a stumble that happens all of us. this is a considerable barrage of information to us, perception to us, that he can't handle it. the question frankly isn't whether he has or can sustain that mental acuity and mental capacity, because frankly i think we know the answer to that. it has nothing to do with his age. i think the question is, why is the mainstream media now releasing this onslaught of articles and points about this now? why now? wisest such a surge? who does it benefit? now there are sharks circling the chum, citing ro khanna and governor pritzker who got to montana all of a sudden. >> brian: gavin newsom. >> emily: so the question is always his being benefited by the stories right now that are all of a sudden taking space. >> harris: reports are about alexandria ocasio

i want to bring in nbc's carol lee covering the white house, editor at large at c-net money, peter baker, chief white house correspondent, for "the new york times," and matthew dowd is founder of country over party, and an msnbc political contributor. you know, peter, is the real issue for democrats that the economy and abortion are not things that the president necessarily has significant control over, at least not now, so short of some major messaging break-through, which frankly has been a problem for this white house, november is going to be incredibly challenging? >> well, november will be incredibly challenging. history tells us that presidents in their first midterms tend to lose seats in the house especially. they're feeling better about the senate because of individual matchups but this is not the economy that joe biden wanted to go into the midterm with. the numbers continue to be robust. that is obviously good news for the administration. good news for the country. but also it presents a challenge to the fed, which is trying to rein in some of the growth to some extent and the

peter baker in the "new york times" just wrote about insights from multiple current and former senior officials. he said they acknowledge mr. biden looks older than just a few years ago, a political liability that cannot be solved by traditional white house strategy like staff shakeups or new communication plans. his energy level while impressive for a man of his age is not what it was. and some aides quietly watch out for him. he often shuffles when he walks and aides worry that he will trip on a wire. he stumbles over words during public events and they hold their breath to see if he makes it to the end without a gaffe. and then came a "washington post" three-person by line piece that revealed the administration's flat footedness for 14 days after the overturning of roe v. wade, an opinion we all knew was coming because the draft was leaked five months ago. no wonder, then, that a yahoo you gov poll think only 18% of americans think he should run for reelection. yet again in a poll, he beats trump. for entirely different reasons these are not the best two among us. one is unfit, and

let's bring in peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times and msnbc clinical analyst. here, his long-awaited new book that he cowrote with his wife susan glasser, the divider. trump in the white house, 2017 to 2020. what comes out in september. i cannot wait to talk about this with you, peter. however, today we're going to talk about the presidents. i'm going to ask you if he makes clear why he's going to saudi arabia and meeting with mbs after everything that he has said before. was his answer, what he wrote in this op-ed, was it satisfactory to you? the explanation for why he's going? >> well, look, he's not going to satisfy his critics of course, but he had to get out there and explain. and he has really done that. i think it's important because he did say during the campaign that he would make saudi arabia pariah. he's trying to recalibrate by saying that we are going to reorient the relationship, not rupture. at this definitely a different term and message he sending today. the reasons he's going are couple. one is, of course, this is a great power compet

but even over the weekend in the new york times peter baker, well-known writer, jen lift, not opinionadline, at 79 biden is testing the boundaries of age and the presidency. baker notes, biden is already more than a year older than ronald reagan was at the end of his two terms. he goes on to report that biden is intellectually engaged. he said biden often shuffle as he walks. he stumbles over words and they hold their breath to see if he makes it to the end without a gaffe. the fact that the times has written about it in such glaring fashion really shows that everybody's turned their back on this fumbling, bumbling, mumbling president. >> well, i'd say when you read something like this in the times, they're trying to get ahead of something which means it's probably much worse than it appears to the american public. his cognitive he decline, go watch when he announced his candidacy in 2019 and then go watch him speak in the mid-2000s, it is sad and it is substantial. some other issues with this poll, his strongly approve to strongly disapprove is under water by 32 points. okay. biden's

joining us now is peter baker, a correspondent for "the new york times" and also author of "kremlin risingt is great seeing you. what do you think putin's interests are in the griner situation? is he using her? >> yeah. that's exactly what this is. this is a tried and true pattern. when we were there in russia more than 20 years ago there were a cases of several americans being held and used as a wedge with the united states. i remember a young guy accused of being a spy. the russians have a long history of doing this from time to time. taking hostages in effect. the import of the trial to get it over with and the guilty verdict to facilitate the exchange or trade or whatever outcome. they want the guilty verdict to justify what they have done and not a testament if she is guilty but political gamesmanship. >> when an authoritarian regime controls everything look at north korea, venezuela, cuba. we hope the situation will be solved. i want to turn to president biden telling reporter that is the nato alliance is as strong as it's ever been. >> putin thought he could break the transatlantic

peter baker wrote mr. biden, his age has increasingly become an uncomfortable issue for him, his team and party. concerns from aides regarding the president's shuffle and fall potential like off his bike in delaware. when it comes to a bid for the second term words like expect and intends pop up often. >> yes, i expect him to run. i'll support him and tell you why he has a lot to be proud of. >> listen to president biden. he intends to run. and if he does, i intend to run with him. there you go. >> dana: according to "the new york times" poll age is the top reason that democratic primary voters would support some wn else. 10% reported he wasn't progressive enough. the executive director of the women's march told the "washington post" biden has an opportunity to step forward in way he has not in a leadership role. she wrote joe biden's goal in responding to do*shs is not to satisfy some activist t who have been consistently out of step with the mainstream of the democratic party. progressives not happy with

palms, they all drew crookedly together , but sincere peter found love in the taiga and worked as a forester. she brought in a seventeen-year-old baker the beam. i stand before my eyes, tears. you have to eat bread. and i don't know where to start. well, the wheeze turned out. wow immediately noticed there for a new one. she's next to the bread. there it is, and suddenly hunger or something there near the bread will always be well-fed bread pit, it is serious in my eyes , we met said that the first and last did not disappoint. five children, 12 grandchildren, family experience of half a century, another peter, with his love, also met 56 years ago at a dance in order. just listen to him remember that day in detail as she stood with an embarrassed blush on her cheeks. simply, beauty, the blackest, like hair, black eyelashes, black beautiful white shoes, blue dress with a white insert. my heart immediately skipped a beat, and it seemed to me that this is probably the person i am, and in life i am looking for life confirmed that he is very calm. that's the whole guarantee of grigory moiseevich and adel evseevna record holders for 60 year