bad did things really get between the time that the case was ruled on and barnett came around and this one quote from shawn peters what he say about it? >> he said it was an unprecedented outbreak of religious persecution. he said they've recognized it as the worst outbreak of religious persecution in the u.s. in the 20th century and both my mother and her father spent time in jail. she was like 11 and they were outraged that they would take a little girl. >> she made friends, right? amazing when you think about it. she was being interviewed by phil donahue in those other clips, so let's hear phil donahue describe what that was like. >> we are at war, americans are dying in the pacific. you cannot overstate the contempt, the loathing that we had for those people. and when the supremes said you had to salute and they expelled kids who would not, over 1000. >> thank you, judy, for spending the time to give us this perspective on your story and your family. we appreciated. after every storm there is a calm. time would pass before the situation would change for jehovah's witnesses. but it did come almost exactly 3 ye