our guest is peter bergen. previously he taught at harvard, johns hopkins university and nyu . he is a former contributing editor. our phone lines are open. is our line for -- message or tweet. bloomfield, west virginia is first up. good morning. caller: thank you. about what our future will be. i think i need to begin by saying that most people recognized that trump was sort china shop,ll in a but they also recognized the china shop was a very corrupt and self-seeking oligarchy. increasing its power at what might be considered next potential rate in terms of controlling people. and limiting democracy. expect this was part of what they feared when they set up the constitution so a particular beulated section would not able to roll the majority -- to rule the majority of the country. host: do you want to phrase that is a question? caller: you mentioned a number of things of which i agree. , as iondering if you feel trial, which i from a lowers the bar .riminal prosecution guest: i wasn't clear what the question

according to peter bergen's new book, trump reacted to this lesson and this visual aid he was shown by saying, quote, they have to move. bergen says the national security officials in the room were initially unsure if the president was joking, but president trump then repeated the line, quote, they have to move. what he meant was the city of seoul must be moved farther away from north korea. president trump apparently believed that was an order he could issue and that other people in the u.s. goth could follow through on it. but luckily for us, i mean, luckily for the course of world history, the pentagon and these national security officials who received this order from put trump that they needed to move the city of seoul, they decided to, according to peter bergen's reporting, they decided they would ignore this order. bergen also reports that the president had ordered, if that same meeting, that all u.s. civilians should be immediately evacuated from the entire nation of south korea. his national security officials told him that that would be received as the first step toward a war,

our guest is peter bergen.reviously he taught at harvard, johns hopkins university and nyu . he is a former contributing editor. our phone lines are open. is our line for -- message or tweet. bloomfield, west virginia is first up. good morning. caller: thank you. about what our future will be. i think i need to begin by saying that most people recognized that trump was sort china shop,ll in a but they also recognized the china shop was a very corrupt and self-seeking oligarchy. increasing its power at what might be considered next potential rate in terms of controlling people. and limiting democracy. expect this was part of what they feared when they set up the constitution so a particular beulated section would not able to roll the majority -- to rule the majority of the country. host: do you want to phrase that is a question? caller: you mentioned a number of things of which i agree. , as iondering if you feel trial, which i from a lowers the bar .riminal prosecution guest: i wasn't clear what the question wa

still with us, journalist, author and analyst peter bergen. ter, i can understand why his generals have in some cases interrupted their retirement but have generally dropped everything -- duty, honor, country, chain of command, ch d commander in chief -- to go work for him. is that list of attributions also why they have been less than fully candid since leaving his employ to talk about donald trump? >> well, you know, secretary mattis obviously released a book and lots of interviewers try to get him to talk about trump. and his view was, i'm not going to talk about a sitting president. in his book he was pretty critical of president obama and joe biden, so perhaps when trump is out of office, it's possible he will be critical of president trump. h.r. mcmaster has said nothing that i'm aware of about his time, about, you know, criticizing trump. i think if you're a retired senior military officer, i think there is a kind of code of honor that they want to follow that is not to be critical of the president. you know, so i don't anticipate either

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peter bergen has half a dozen books to his name.e's a professor, a veteran global security expert, and to our great everlasting daily frustration, he is also an on-air analyst at cnn. peter, it's great to have you. longtime fan. first-time caller. i'm holding your book aloft for all of our viewers. repeat the -- tell your version of the story in the eyes of those who were in the room, for starters. >> brian, thanks for having me on the show. you know, this was, i guess, you know, to trump's supporters, this is kind of an example of out-of-the-box thinking. he seemed to be pretty serious in the oval office instructing his team that the inhabitants of seoul had to move. you know, the city of seoul is 10 million people. there are 25 million people in the entire metropolitan region around seoul. and, you know, the officials didn't really know what to say. i mean, he also at one point, you know, just to extend it, another scene in the book, he -- he heard jack keane on fox, who's a fox news analyst, retired four-star general, say that th

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peter bergen is still with us.stand why his generals have in some cases interrupted their retirement, but have dropped everything, duty, honor, chain of command, to go work for him. is that also why they've been less than fully candid since leaving his employ to talk about donald trump? >> secretary mattis released a book, and people tried to get him to talk about trump. his view was, i'm not going to talk about a sitting president. in his book, he was pretty critical of president obama and joe biden. h.r. mcmaster has said nothing that i'm aware of about serving donald trump. i think there is a code of honor not to be critical of the president. so i don't anticipate mattis or mcmaster getting out and criticizing the president. obviously, we've had bill mccraven and also stan mccrystal, two of the leading military officers of their generation publicly taking stands against trump. but neither of them served with trump. and general mccrystal was offered the job of secretary of defense, and he turned it down because h

many families nuisance mostly kept silent about the past and this in this part of a group led by peter bergen event which brings together descendants of nancy offenders and holocaust survivors his jewish grandparents were probably shot by hunger in nazis he says this picture of them has always been the carrier of his family's sadness the nazi past is still lets have who in many families he says is the. perpetrator generation never talked about this process guilt. feelings of shame. they were going on subconsciously they transmitted them to the next generation. as time passes that it's innocent feels the urge to break the silence she has plans to turn her family's nazi history into an art project she feels making this past populate it's important to prevent its repetition. crumbling rather than plain that's normal life for 7 year olds in china the parents are worried that school alone is not enough. that's where they fill their kids leisure time with foreign languages math and sports. it says a major impact on the family's whole life. joe in weights here every day at 330 for her son's class to

according to peter bergen's new book trump accounted to this lesson and visual aid he was shown by saying, quote, they have to move. bergen says the national security officials in the room were unsure if president trump was joking. but president trump repeated the line, they have to move. what he meant was the city of seoul must be moved farther away from north korea. president trump believed that was an order he could issue and other people in the u.s. government would follow through on it. luckily for us and in the course of world history the pentagon and national security who received this order from president trump, they decided to according tool peter bergen's reporting to ignore this order. and bergen also reports that the president had ordered all u.s. civilians should be immediately evacuated from the entire nation of south korea. national security officials told him that would be received as the first step towards a war which of course could be a nuclear war with north korea. he nevertheless insisted that evacuation must happen. quote, trump is reported to have ignored the warnin

i think this meeting was kind of one of the key meetings of his presidency. >> peter bergen is the authorhe book is "trump and his generals: the cost of chaos." great pleasure having you on, peter. thank you very much. >> thank you very much, sir. >>> coming up, a, americans by choice. we hear words of gratitude from career public servants after the united states offered them a place to call home. fred would do anything for his daughter! get in fred! even if it means being the back half of a unicorn. fear not fred! the front half washed his shirt with gain detergent. that's the scent that puts the giddy in giddy up! ahhh. the irresistible scent of gain. for a scent with even more giddy up, try gain scent blast in detergent, fabric softener and scent beads. >>> this confirmation process has become a national disgrace. the constitution gives the senate an important role in the confirmation process. but you have replaced advice and consent with search and destroy. >> "washington post" veteran columnist roourt marcus provides striking new details about the confirmation fight to put that man,

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morning, as part of author's week, cnn national security analyst and new american vice president peter bergen will join us to talk terry is book and then jeffries discusses the rising federal deficit and efforts to reduce the national debt. watch live at 7:00 theern morning and be sure to watch authors week on key public policy issues all week beginning at 8:00 eastern on c-span's ashington journal. susan: i wanted to put the cover of your new book, "dignity," on the screen. explain its essence to me. chris: it is a book about my five years driving around the united states, spending time in what i would call back road america, the part of america that is everywhere. it is not a red state or blue state thing, it is the towns and communities that have been ignored or left behind or forgotten. places like selma, alabama, like the north side of milwaukee, places like the bronx in new york city. places that are kind of stigmatized and defined in various ways as being places where there is high crime or poverty, but places that make up a large part of the united tates. susan: that is the back row,

we are joined now by peter bergen, author of trump and his generals. thanks for coming in.rounds himself with brass, loves his generals, and then he gets unhappy and somehow they all have to leave. a multiple one could from your book, talking about the generals and you say... what happened ? trump what happened? trump is the first american president in history to have neither served in the military or public office so he need people who knew how to make things work. and also, you recall that about 100 of leading top republican experts said they would never work for charm. military officers generally do not take political positions, so by default he needed these military guys. very impressive group of people, to basically tell him how to run the war against isis and afghanistan and iraq and other places. over time, the policy differences begin to add up. these generally... they wanted to give a long—term commitment to the afghan warand long—term commitment to the afghan war and over time they were either pushed out, resigned or left early. and today, john kelly, the former c

. -- peter bergen joins us to talk about his book, trump and his general's, the cost of chaos. then cns news.com editor-in-chief terry jeffries discusses the rising federal deficit and efforts to reduce the national debt. watch live at 7:00 eastern monday morning. watch arthur's week featuring authors from across the put go spectrum on key public policy issues all week, beginning at 8:00 eastern on c-span's washington journal. >> "washington journal" mugs are available at c-span's new online store. check out the "washington journal" mugs and see all of the c-span products. host: joining us on newsmakers is ellen weintraub. she is the chair of the federal election commission. joining us here for the questioning is maggie severns, reporter for politico. and michelle ye hee lee, who covers money and politics for the washington post. to both of you, thanks for being with us. chairman weintraub, thank you for joining us. let me begin with the enforcement mechanism that the fec has. you do not have a quorum. you do not have a majority. so what type of authority, what type of power do

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the book is by national security expert peter bergen.writes about a meeting in 2017 where trump saw a satellite image of the north korean peninsula, showing lights of china and south korea and the blackness of north korea in between, which trump initially mistook for an ocean. ( as trump ) "wait a second. so north korea is under the sea? i have it on good authority from a singing crab that that's a very nice place." ( laughter ) ( applause ) ♪ ♪ so to help trump figure it out, officials brought out a map, which made trump even more confused. evidentally, when he saw that seoul was just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone, the president asked, "why is seoul so close to the north korean border?" "i mean, look at it! it's, like, two inches away! and look at our map! somebody put hawaii in a box in the corner! but i can't have a border wall?" in january of 2018, trump saw a fox news segment warning u.s. citizens to steer clear of south korea. so he rushed to tell pentagon officials, "i want an evacuation of american civilians from south

. >> we just had a book by peter bergen that just came out about the president and north korea during this fire and fury moment which i think you were probably in the white house during that period of time reporting the president actually instructed u.s. families of military personnel to be evacuated from seoul and from the korean peninsula. now, that was a ridiculous thing to do because it would have triggered the north koreans to thinking that an attack was imminent and could have literally initiated a nuclear con flag rags on the korean peninsula. >> he wanted all of seoul, south korea, to be all of that. >> the stakes are nuclear war. >> well, i mean, you can go on and on and on with it but hopefully things will get better. everybody, stay with us. the revvies will be right back. k >>> welcome back. we're wrapping things up here at the revvies, and we're ending with a look at our judges' great expectations. their predictions for 2020 will make sure to save this tape to embarrass you. embarrass all of you next year. so choose wisely. let us go to chris hayes. >> i'm going to make a

and peter bergen. admiral kirby, you were stationed at that naval air station five years when you did public affairs for the blue angels. i know you consider pensacola a bit of a second home. can you describe what life is like at the facility, the size of it and how something like this could happen? are guards armed? you know, deputies were called in. i assume there's not a lot of military personnel with weapons. >> it's one of our largest naval bases in the country. it's primarily designed to help train aviation -- people in the navy, either aviators or maintenance and air crews. there's about 20,000 or so people on the base, and of course families live on the base. i lived on the base with my two kids when we were down there in the mid-'90s, so it's a very family-friendly environment on base and a very family-friendly, navy-friendly community in pensacola. they love the navy there. the base has been active since about 1913. so there's a long history with the local community. as for security on the ba

joining us now is cnn national security analyst peter bergen, the author of the new book "trump and his cost of chaos". it's out today. inside it you talk about the july 25th phone call. that is where president trump asked president zelensky of ukraine to investigate the bidens. this is what you write, you write by now on july 25th the axis of adults had all long moved on, either because they were forced out or because they had resigned on principle, and trump had surf roerounded himse with yes men. the danger was jumped scored by what became the greatest threat to his presidency, that july 25th phone call. what difference might general john kelly, general mcmaster, general mattis, what difference might they have made had they still worked at the administration on july 25? >> i mean, they had a history of disagreeing with the president on matters of policy. i mean, john kelly himself said during his exit sort of interview with the president, you know, try not to get a yes man. you might get impeached. this is john kelly's own approach to it. i think the combination -- to his credit, joh

monday morning, cnn national security analyst and new america vice president peter bergen will join us about his book, "trump and his generals." editorn cbs news discusses the rising federal deficit and efforts to reduce the national debt. -- authorswatch all week featuring authors from throughout the political spectrum on key public policy issues beginning at 8:00 eastern. >> on the sunday news programs, senator ron johnson and dick durbin talked about the impeachment of president trump and gave a preview of the senate trial. >> you said earlier this month that you think the consensus in the senate would be that when the house -- let the house make its case, the white house make its case, then put forward a motion to vote without witnesses. is that what you see happening? >> i think so. that is general discussion within the conference. the case is pretty thin that the house is sending over, if they ever send it to us. gruel from my standpoint. both

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peter bergen has a new book on trump and his generals about how itl security and morphed via the generals who were so powerful in the first years of the trump administration. that is on december 17. i invite you back for both of those. , aconcluding remarks are couple things that weren't mentioned tonight. is, the issue of the constitution. i think it's going to become a really important point of debate. not a point of, let's have a religion of the constitution. i think something that wasn't balance -- mentioned, balance of powers. this was seen as a discussion within the executive. we didn't have enough time. taking about the balance of powers is the next thing we have to talk about and what that means. whether we revise it or we don't. in terms ofg is, going forward -- i think you all touched on these cultural discomforts, whether it's that we accept lying, that we accept thing -- privacy, that these things have changed since her childhood. -- our childhood. what we need to do is have this same panel with 30-year-olds. seriously. and see how they think about these issues and whether the

peter bergen has a new book on trump and his generals about national security and the national security state and how it morphed via the generals who were so powerful in the first years of the trump administration. that is on december 17. i invite you back for both of those. my concluding remarks are a couple things that weren't mentioned tonight. one is the issue of the constitution. i think that is going to become a really important point of debate. not a point of let's have the religion of the constitution. but a point of debate. i think something that wasn't mentioned -- balance of powers. this was seen as a discussion within the executive. i think that we didn't have enough time. i think thinking about the balance of powers is the next thing we have to talk about and what that means. whether that means we revise the constitution or we don't revise the constitution. a third thing is, in terms of going forward -- i think you all touched on these cultural discomforts, whether it's that we accept lying, that we the culture accept a lack of privacy, that these things have changed since

and then peter bergen has a new book on trump and his generals about national security and the national security state, and how it morphed via the generals who were so powerful in the first years of the trump administration, and that is on december 17. so i invite you back for both of those. so my concluding remarks are a couple things that were not mentioned tonight, sort of concluding remarks, but one is the issue of the constitution. i think that it is going to become a really important point of debate, not a point of have the religion of the constitution, but the point of debate. i think something that was not mentioned, balance of power. this was all seen as a discussion within the executive, and i think we did not have enough time, but i do think thinking about the balance of power is the next thing we have to talk about. we have to talk about that and what that means. -- this is my plea. forward, and ing think -- i think you all touched on sort of these cultural discomforts, whether it is that we accept lying, that we accept -- that the culture accepts privacy, that there's chang

cyber in geo politics, cyber offensive cyber attacks and it's an eye opener by andy greenbergthen peter bergen has a new group about trump as his generals and the national security and national security state and how it morphed via the generals who were so powerful in the first years of the trump administration. and that is on december 17th. i invite you back for both of those. so my concluding remarks are, couple things that weren't mentioned tonight, sort of concluding remarks but, one is that the issue of the constitution. i think that is going to become a really important point of debate. not a point of let's have the religion of the constitution but a point of debate. i do think something that wasn't mentioned, balance of powers. you know, this was all seen as a discussion within the executive and i think that we didn't have enough time but i do think thinking about the balance of powers is the next -- we have to talk about that and what that means, whether we revise the constitution or don't revive the constitution. a third thing is -- this is my plea -- in terms of going forward and i t