we talked to peter bradford the former commissioner who was on the commission after and was a pretty outspoken critic for safety and he talked about what is needed is regulatory skepticism. i am not sure that that exists today but i think that is what we need. >> host: it's one of the challenges and i think you talk about different people in the role they play. one of the challenges is to try to figure out where those issues can best be addressed whether it is -- because obviously most of the things they did during the act were driven by the staff and you have a very interesting assessment and a book about the work that was done in the 80s and dealing with the events and the boiling water reactor plants in the state. and as they played back in fukushima because the efforts to address that issue in the 80s alternately were not successful because we solve the problems that we saw in fukushima yet it was driven by the staff at the nrc and decades later a task force was created that came to almost very similar conclusions. so, there is an effort that i think as you said there are people

we talked to peter bradford a former nrc commissioner who was on the commission after tmi and was a pretty outspoken critic. he talked about what is needed is regulatory skepticism. i think that's what we need. >> host: is one of the challenges and you talk a lot in the book about different people at the nrc and the roles that they play. one of the challenges is to try and figure out where those issues can best be addressed. obviously most of the very good things that the nrc did during the accident were really driven by this path and you have very interesting assessment of the book about the work that was done in the 80s dealing with the events that boiling what are reactor plants in the united states in that same debate in many ways the played out in fukushima in real-time because the efforts to address the issue in the 80s ultimately weren't successful because we saw fukushima and yet it was stripped and by the staff of the nrc and then decades later the task force was created after the accident which came to very similar conclusions. so there is an effort and their people at the agency