and i was introduced two labor leaders, the head of the city council and electric union, and peter brandon who was president nixon's labor secretary and head of the construction trade. and they had a partnership with the rockefellers, and worked closely on pro-construction and pro-development efforts and they introduced me. and they said that the person that writes the paper makes the presentation. and i was 20 something, and went and made the presentation. and they said fine, and now mr. rockefeller said now we will hire you to do it. and i went to work there after non-private work and then set up a program to work in partnership with the city and state and most major banks. and created a home building industry in the city that rebuilt neighborhoods. >> how successful were you and how friendly to the middle class now to come here? >> well, too successful, when we started in the early 80's, there wasn't a place in the city where you could sell a home or rent an apartment for what it cost to build it. so there was a very weak market. and we had to go in and create markets. within 15 years t