joining me now is former cia officer peter brooks. thanks for having me. >> before we get started, i want to show you a fascinating exchange. senator patrick leahy is quizzing defense secretary gates about our relationships with supposed allies like pakistan. take a listen. >> how long do we support governments that lie to us? when do we say enough is enough, secretary gates i'll start with you. >> well, first of all, i would say, based on 27 years in the cia and 4 1/2 years in this job, most governments lie to each other. that's the way business gets done. >> do they also arrest the people that help us? >> sometimes. >> when they say they're allies? >> sometimes. >> not on -- >> and sometimes they send people to spy on us and they're our close allies. >> and we give aid to them. >> that's the real world that we deal with. >> peter, that was a more stark and open and honest critique of the relationship we've got with our supposed allies than you normally get certainly at a budget hearing. but let me ask you this. isn't it really one st

. >>> joining us now peter brooks with the heritage foundation. >> good morning. >> elaine laid out thosethe infrastructure. as you look at those three areas, which is the most vulnerable? >> well, it's hard to say. it depends on what you're thinking about in terms of a threat. the pentagon and the military worry about cyberwarfare in case we were to go to war with somebody. the government and congress and private industry are worried about cyberescyberespionage, then there are cybercriminals which are people stealing financial data for uses of fraud it. depends exactly where you're putting the threat. obviously, national security economic security should be the forefront of our concern. >> we just heard in elaine's piece, the challenge that your data as an average american that you're information has been hacked pretty good. anything that i can do about it? >> of course, the companies that hold that data need to step up and take the necessary cybersecurity measures to protect your data. you should also be very careful. i mean we have our virus protection software. people should take good