we heard from the mayor a short while ago, peter carlisle. he was saying, if that's the case get out of your car and start walking to higher ground. because he warned the people of hawaii, at this point, they were pulling out the police from the low-lying areas to keep them safe and that if anyone wasn't evacuating or wasn't able to evacuate, there's nothing they can do now, there is no police that could come to their aid. that's his message a few minutes ago. of course, many people are in hotels. and that's where they need to be at a certain level in the hotel for safety. we were going to go with somebody in a hotel but now i'm told we've got another official on the line with the pacific tsunami warning center. sorry, sir, i didn't get your name, what was your name? >> victor sardina. >> victor, what can you tell us about this tsunami, what's expected in the next few minutes? >> well, actually, we are expecting it to hit hawaii in roughly, actually, less than 15 minutes now. it's actually 14 minutes away. so if you look at the orientation of