i'm here with peter cowan from the council of community housing organizations and a proponent of proposition e. welcome. >> thank you. >> we're also joined by nick smith from the libertarian party of san francisco and opponent of the measure. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you, both, for being here. we're going to start with opening statements. peter? >> sure. well, thank you for having me. you know, san francisco has had this what seems like a never ending affordable housing crisis. we hear that in the newspapers all the time. and one of the solutions -- in a very simple way, the two primary ingredients for affordable housing are money and land. and we have this november two measures, i'll speak about prop e specifically, that are really for both of those. probably a is bonds. and prop e is about land. the need we have is to get more sites that will actually accommodate affordable housing throughout the city. most of our affordable housing historically has been on the eastern side of the city. we've had larger sites, old industrial, it's where working class communities have been, so b