peter dre conversation meyer. i'm an individual, feeling an obligation to comment on the human dilemma. when we have to start looking at things like desalination, we're living beyond the care and capacity of our region. just like when we do everything we can to conserve our water and we're still seeing a decline in the fish. i've been reading a lot of urban water management plans lately and they all talk about population growth and job growth, which drives population growth, and it's not ever questioned. and we're in a place now where the population of california is expected to grow from 38 million to 60 million by 2050. at the same time we're expecting a lot less snowpack. 12% to 50% reduction in that team period. so a lot more people, less available water. in palo alto, we have more jobs than residents. we're the worst culprit. i try to bring it up and it's not a popular issue because communities see job growth as great. it provides jobs and revenue for the community. but we're in this cycle like a pyramid schem