i'm joined by msnbc political analyst pat buchanan and democratic strategist peter fenn.wn as my boys. so i can see that again, because it's been so long, pat is it just the end of a post-election honey moon phase sclg. do you think there's something larger the president should be concerned about with these poll numbers? >> it's partly that. he had enormous popular support when he took office, even among republicans. his real problem on economic issues and health care, he is under water in a lot of polls. in other words, more people oppose the way he's handling things than approve. and some polls on spending and the deficit, he's down in the 30% range. peter and i were talking about this during the break. and what obama needs, he needs, "a," a big victory on health care after this august recess, or "b," the imperative is, that this economy, which does appear looks like it's bottoming out in the second quarter, that this come roaring back on fire, and people get confidence back and they start spending money. in which case the democrats could say, look, the republicans are

by my boys, msnbc political analyst pat buchanan, and democratic strategist peter fenn. when's the last time i said that? where have you both been? >> who was on -- someone was on vacation last week, pat who was that? >> i can't remember. >> i was driving back, alex, toward the bay bridge when you were on the air. >> sorry. i was convinced you were up in anchorage or fairbanks. we'll get to that another time. pat, with so many people saving money with this program, and so many dealers moving products, isn't this program one of the most successful stimulus measures? >> not only will agree with that, i was arguing back there months and months ago that this idea of basically a tax credit for folks who bought new american cars to save the car industry would be a terrific idea. and it would work. and it has, alex. and what makes it work is the people making the decisions here, they're not a big bureaucracy. it's a guy who says we got this old clunker here and maybe it's time to get a new car, and here's an opportunity. so he goes down to the show room. he picks out the car ju

joining us now for the top political story peter fenn and jim innocency. good to see you, gentlemen. this comes out of the whole health care debay, but the latest of what happened in pennsylvania, obviously constituents not shy about letting members of congress feel about cerin issues. peter, what did you think? >> i think this is all a put-up job. this is well organized. this is like the comparison i have is voters may remember in 2000 in florida when they had the so-called brooks brothers riot. that was republican operatives flown in and banging on the windows all dressed beautifully but it turns out this wasn't a spontaneous effort. >> so you don't think these are legitimate? >> i have to tell you, this is -- in fact the guy that helped organize the tea party sent out a memo saying the first thing you have to do is spread yourselves around the hall, scream at the member of congress, interrupt them. these aren't civil discourses, these are uncivil actions. >> jim, that would never happen, would it? >> no. >> this is right out of the white house sheet yes