i am ali velshi speaking to musician and human rights activist peter gabe bre yell? >> i thought i misread that. you are creating apes. >> yeah. well, i mean i played -- i had a year when i was working with sue savage-rumbeau with these extraordinary bonobo apes and i went down there four times. sometimes with musicians and, and we tried different things but in the end we got a bonobois on the keyboard, two of the apes and i would be playing in the next door room. they could see me and they would just experiment with different notes according to what i was playing, and most people, you know, i mean i think some people have seen stuff on the movies and they expect had he them to play beetoven but what you see is an extraordinary intelligence questioning each note, finding harmonnies, octaves, repeating certain notes and for any musician, they get blown away because there is something happening which you get in a jam where things begin to work, and it was 100% evidence from the -- of the intelligence of other beings, and i think we have maintained anextremelyarrogant a