i looked at like peter gabriel from genesis. and that was a guy who was part of this very successful thing that he was at the genesis of. >> pardon the pun. >> but he was part of a -- that was a real movement, a real thing. but i responded to the idea, there's a song calls "salisbury hill" that peter gabriel wrote that is about embarking on that adventure, whatever that -- look, i didn't become an actor because i wanted bankers' hours. steve mcqueen has a quote. i became an actor to beat the 40-hour work week, now i work 80 hours a week. >> yeah. >> so you can't know anything for sure. and so there's a part of me that felt that there was a next step. i didn't know what it was. and luckily i have a great support in my wife. that's -- i think that makes all the difference too. i think on my own, i don't know if i would have come to the same place. >> i guess this conversation now begs the follow-up question. which is, now that we know why you decided to take the risk, whether or not you're happy that you did. creatively. >> right.

tracy chapman, and saint bruce of asbury, and, most famously, his frequent collaborator peter gabrielbout you when you were age 12 when you started to perform, uh, professionally. >> youssou: yeah. >> anthony: but did you come from a musical tradition? >> youssou: my mom, she's a griot. griot are the storytellers and they are also singers, rappers, and everything. and i, i grow with my grandma, she was a big singer. she give me a lot of things. and from there going to the school for two years, then left the school and start my career. >> anthony: tonight we are having a beef mafe, which is a stew thickened with ground peanuts. there are similar preparations throughout west africa, but the senegalese version is particularly great. sear the beef, cook the onion, garlic, peppers, and carrots, deglaze with ground peanuts and broth, bringing up all that good stuff from the pan, then simmer until tender and awesome. serve hot over rice. >> anthony: wow. >> youssou: ah. >> anthony: that looks good. >> youssou: that's good. good, good, good, good, good. thank you. >> anthony: wow. this is ver

gabriel pascoe -- are his comments just poor diplomacy or do they signal a new direction in german policy on israel? peteri wonder to what extent you would say that gabriel's view is quite harsh, despite the fact that he views himself as very much a friend of israel? to what extent do they represent a deeper, substantial strand of opinion here, in germany, public opinion? he is not the first german politician who has been speaking harshly about israel. i think personally the apartheid metaphor or parallel is ahis torical. you can say a lot of things reallyebron which is a horrible place, but apartheid is probably not the right word. a horrible discussion about when ahmidt was comparing it to halfhearted fascist in the 1950's. we had german commentators speaking very honestly about germany. every time we speak about 180-degree turn in the way politicians speak about israel, we have to go back -- very unfortunately, there had an insensitive wordings about israel. you can voice criticism in different ways. you do not have to always use words. really somebody who is anti-israel? i would not think so. visit an