we want to bring in aviation analyst peter goelz.n they get there, they are going to have to work fast over this huge site. what should their priorities be? >> the first priority is to recover all of the victims and human remains. that is without question the first issue. secondly, they then need to start getting key physical pieces of the aircraft that indicate whether or whether it has not been hit by a missile. many of the photographs are pretty telling and it shows what appears to be missile fragment intent agses and the third thing they need to do is look for actual pieces of the missile. my guess is the russians and the surrogates have been scouring the area to try and remove any evidence of the missile. they can't do it from the plane wreckage, but they might be able to pick up pieces of the missile. they need to throw question -- a question mark into the investigation if at all possible. >> another one of our safety analysts, david soucie was on our air last night on cnn and was talking about the way that the shrapnel came in

as peter goelz will testify later. you need hundreds of people. you need refrigeration trucks, you need hazardous material distribution and disposal. the size -- the discrepancy, wolf, between what is there and what is needed for a half decent recovery operation with dignity is absolutely mind-boggling. >> it is heart wrenching and shocking, i must say, to see what's going on at the scene. i can only imagine how awful this must be for family members who might be watching right now to see what the carnage there and the lack of authority, the lack of credibility any kind of semblance of rovery if you will. it's heartbreaking to see that. jenrry hart ling, you worked extensively with the ukrainian military. you know the region well. what's your read of how sophisticated these pro-russian rebels might be? >> they're very sophisticated, wolf. the fact they're using the buk system just shows how sophisticated they are. this is not a video game system. this is not a point and shoot air defense system. this is a tough system to run. it's usually linked wi

let's bring in our panel, miles o'brien, our aviation analyst peter goelz, the former managing director of the national transportation safety board, cnn's richard quest and law enforcement analyst tom fuentas. i want to begin with jim sciutto. you're getting new information about the crash. what are you learning? >>. >> it's about the crash scene. there's been great concern about interference with the crash site, pro-russian rebels who have been running rampant over it in the last 24 hours. we're learning this coming from the donetsk state administration, an the actual government of eastern ukraine, not the self-proclaimed government from a face buk posting saying rebels have removed 36 bodies from the site of the plane crash, that they drove away rescuers robbed them of their means of communication, too took these bodies away, loaded them on to trucks. as always happens in this story, there are two views to any event and the pro-russian channel one story of the same event says that these pro-russian rebels were in fact trying to preserve the site taking the bodies away to some place wh

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. >> i want to go to peter goelz with the national transportation safety board, a cnn aviation analyst. peter, obviously, an extremely complicated -- if, in fact, separatists are preventing ukrainian authorities which seem to make sense, how would this be investigated? >> i think that that's a great question. iko is the obvious organization, the international civil aviation organization. they must demand immediately an independent, impartial investigation with safety guaranteed by the ukraine, by russia to put a team in there. you know, following -- you did an extraordinary special on twa on tuesday night. i managed that investigation. we did an enormous amount of testing with the fbi and the u.s. navy on missile strikes and commercial aircraft. there's an enormous amount of information in the resources of the u.s. we'll know what kind of missile, where it struck. it may not be in the black boxes, but we have a lot of information. but the key thing is for the international community to demand an immediate, independent investigation. we can't leave this in the hands of the russians or t

institute for air and space strategic studies, our aviation analyst miles o'brien and aviation and nis peter goelz, the former managing director of the ntsb. jim, you've been speaking with experts. what are they telling you? how hard is it to shoot down a u.s.-made ed boeing triple 7 flighting at 30,000 feet? how hard is it to shoot down a commercial plane like that with a ground-to-air missile? >> sadly not hard if you have equipment capable of hitting a target at that altitude. the sad fact is that develop equipment is floating around eastern ukraine right now including the. >> steve m.: officials have identified to me as the likely source, and that is the russian made buk, b-u-kcht russian made mill system. it has the range to go to where this plane was flying. is ukrainian officials no, sir and this has been publicized that two weeks ago, pro-russian separatists captured just such a missile system in eastern ukraine and overran a ukrainian military base and took a buk missile launcher. they tooifrzed it and the pictures of it aired on russian television and on twitter feeds and so on. so they

joining me now, aviation analyst peter goelz, also a former managing director of the national transportationard. peter, as we mentioned, the rebels are reportedly losing patience with investigators, but we're also hearing the experts can't get in to certain areas to do their investigation. what do you make of this? >> well, ana, it continues to be outrageous. the separatists and their sponsors the russians, the last thing they want is this tragedy to be investigated, because off the eviden the -- all of the said pointing directly to them. they don't want investigators to be in there. they don't want to have wreckage examined by metal urgists. they want it drawn out, they want it to be confused and unfortunately, the despicable behavior on their part, there are bodies still out there that have not been recovered. so it really is just, really, appalling behavior. >> do we know specifically what those international monitors from osce are doing? what exactly is their role if they aren't investigating? >> well, the osce investigators are not aviation or accident investigators. they're u.n. repres

joining us the former ntsb managing director peter goelz and tom fuentas, a former assistant director fbi. over a week later, the site still not secure. still pretty much of a mess. what can be done to secure it and find out precisely what happened. >> wolf, everything that needs to be done is what needed to be done from the first day. the perimeter set, no one allowed in that didn't belong in that wasn't part of the investigation. all of the bodies identified and their location and then removed properly. and then the immediate work to collect the debris and analyze it. and of course of, they did get the black boxes. much of what should have been done day one is yet to be done although a number of bodies have been removed but we understand there's still more at the site. >> yeah, it's basically the problem is it's a war zone and an ugly situation to boot. peter, i want to quickly get your thoughts on what's going on here in israel. ben gurion airport. you know about the 36-hour ban on usair traffic coming in and out of israel that the faa imposed and then quickly reversed it. were you

let's bring in peter goelz and tom fuentes.t the faa and the europeans following the faa decided to ban commercial airliner flights in and out of tel aviv over the next 24 to 36 hours. what was your immediate reaction? and you're an expert. >> i found it to be completely understandable. there you have an active war going on. you've got an international airport where planes are coming in to land and take off. as we just saw, you don't need more than 10,000 or 12,000 feet for a man pad to be very effective. i think it was the right thing to do. the insurance liability of flying in there over this ban is simply too great. >> tom fuentes, what did you think? >> i think the same as peter. what tom foreman just said i don't think has gotten enough attention. these shoulder-held weapons can be taken anywhere. you can put them in the back of a station wagon or a minivan and drive them wherever you want. hamas could go through one of their tunnels, carry one of these in, get in a station wagon and sit outside of ben-gurion airport and c