koleen pettit and peter goelz, and what is your assess there of what he said to tom foreman? >> well, there is a little difference there of locked position. it is a control switch that is sencentered position, and you are telling it to lock and then re returns back. so it is always in the center position and spring action so it is pushed down to have a lock so it is not bumped lock and then you have to push it off of unlock so it is a fail-safe mechanism. >> okay. i want to dig into this, and talk to karlene about something,

joining us is scott miller peter goelz and former ntsb managing director and paul callan cnn analyst.n a number of questions already. i want to start putting them to you. peter and scott, can pilots and their trade associations reasonably continue to resist cockpit cameras now? peter, that's something that was discussed a while back the notion of having cameras in the cockpit. a number of pilots pilot union from what i understand resisted that idea. david soucie has made the point that that resistance before was really kind of years ago when the u big wittbiquity, when people hadn't gotten used to the cameras. do you think that is something that may change now? >> i think that position is becoming more and more untenable. i don't think there's any real rationality at this to opposing cockpit cameras. the protections that have been provided over the past decades to cockpit voice recorders have been very rarely breached and i think the same protections can be put for the cameras. so i think -- but i'd be interested in hearing what the captain has to say. >> scott, what do you think abou

want to bring back peter goelz, former managing director of the national transportation safety board. this is the cockpit of this plane. walk us through, for example, how a pilot or co-pilot in this particular case would actually go ahead and lock that door and prevent anyone from coming back in. >> let's take a look at the door lock system. here it is. it has three positions, normal unlock and lock. in the unlocked position the door is open it can be accessed. it would be in the unlocked position at the gate prior to taxi way. the normal position the door is locked. it can only be accessed from the outside by the numeric keypad which the flight crew has the code they can enter the cockpit if allowed by the cabin crew inside. >> what happens if the pilot or co-pilot in this case puts it on lock as opposed to normal or unlock? >> once it's in lock you are

les abend and peter goelz, stay with us, we'll continue the conversation throughout the hour. thank you so much. >>> we still have lots of questions as i'm sure you have about this crash. send them to us on twitter. it's @cnn, use the hash tag germanwings qs. the fbi has asked to assist in the investigation. we'll explore what that entails with cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. later we'll go live to switzerland for new developments with nuke talks with iran. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle

. >> peter goelz, stand by. i want to go back to la guardia airport. delta flight 1086, skidded off the runway, off runway 13 at la guardia into that determine right there. we're told all the passengers have evacuated. the ap reports 125 passengers, five crew evacuated from that airplane. let's check in with miguel marquez one more time with the latest information from that airport. miguel? >> reporter: the bad news here is because of this incident all flights into and out of la guardia have been canceled for now or diverted. it appears eep flights on their way into la guardia have been diverted to other airports. on the good news side, despite how terrible the conditions are and despite how bad that might look, that everybody is off that plane. initial reports are there are only minor injuries.

former managing director for the ntsb peter goelz and miles o'brien. miles, it will be very interesting to see, again, how much the employer actually knew about any medical condition that this co-pilot had. clearly it seems he was trying to hide it from the employer according to the prosecutor. >> yes. really frankly, probably more common than we'd like to think. generally, you know pilots of course in the u.s. and i believe in europe as welling have to have twice annual medical exams in order to receive their faa first class medical certificate. generally they go to one doctor for that and then they have a personal doctor for the rest of their medical requirements and there's not communication necessarily between those two doctors. there's sort of two paths that go on. pilots are reluctant to self-report a lot of conditions because ultimately it can ground

. >> peter goelz, dr. jeff gardere, thanks to both of you. i appreciate it. >>> also this morning, the final moments of the airliner and all aboard are revealed in chilling detail. the flight voice recorder captured the captain frantically pleading with his co-pilot to unlock the door. fred pleitgen has the latest. >> reporter: over the weekend, disturbing new details from flight 9525 reported by a german newspaper. >> the transcript was leaked way too early in the investigation. >> reporter: the leaked transcript criticized by voyeurism captures the steps 27-year-old andreas lubitz took to kill all 150 on board. around 10:00 a.m. the plane takes off from barcelona. the captain then tells lubitz he didn't go to the bathroom in barcelona and lubitz replays "go any time."

peter goelz is a cnn aviation analyst. jonathan gilliam is a former air martial. mary ann tool is a special agent and les abend is a contributing editor of "flying" mag zenazine. good to see all of you. peter, you first. we know this was this note investigators found and said he was -- lubitz was unfit to work. what are the medical or maybe even mental conditions that would cancel out someone's ability to fly a plane? >> well there's a wide variety of conditions or situations which would disqualify somebody from flying. for instance the faa has a list of knockout medications that if you're taking one of these medications you may not fly a commercial airplane. there are medical conditions

any kind of parallel with the two suicides peter goelz was just talking about. in those accidents, it was quickly changing, direct change in altitude. morer erratic. this is indicative of that unless in which it was something that was suicide. >> i guess that does argue against the notion of suicide, although again, to try to and again, we don't know the case here but the person could have just brought the plane right down into the ground. >> if you were going to do it, just push it down and go forward, you know, all the way. this gives more credence to the idea that something happened some sort of movement in the cockpit that nudged the side stick. nudges the side stick or the controls in some way and the process begins that there can't

former ntsb managing director peter goelz and with us airbus captain ron stock. i appreciate you being with us. the news that the auto pilot was reprogrammed from 20, excuse me 38,000 feet to 100 feet another piece of the puzzle coming together. this was a deliberate act. >> absolutely. and it's scotched any ideas that somehow there was a medical emergency, that he had slumped on the controls. nothing like this. what we heard from the prosecutor was that he had dialled in the descent. and we wondered how they knew about this because they haven't got the data recorder. well it is information that comes from the transponder or one of the transponder frequencies where you can see the, on the list of data it goes from 38,000 to 96 is what he put it. and then sits back calmly as we're led to believe and does nothing. this i was prepared to sort of give the benefit of the doubt in

our law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes and aviation analyst peter goelz. er, the sheer size of this area and the fact that this huge plane crashed into this mountain at 400 miles an hour it shattered into so many pieces when i said daunting that's an understatement. >> it is an understatement. they will desperately try to identify what they call the four corners of the plane. the two wings, the nose and the tail and then try and start to lay the shattered pieces out on a grid. but, boy, i don't think they're going to get very far with that because they'll have some pieces. but i don't think there's much you're going to be able to pick up from the devastation. >> because normally -- you've been involved in a lot of these crash scenes. they try to reassemble a plane to try to learn what happened. in this particular case you don't think they'll be able to do that? >> i don't think so. we know what happened. the guy locked the door and flew the plane into the mountain. you may want to recover the door but i don't think there's a lot of investigative knowledge t

peter goelz and i'm joined by flight instructor scott miller. welcome to you both. thanks for being with me. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having us. >> my pleasure. >> lots of information coming in to us right now. there are at least two different time lines, but this is what french officials are telling us this morning. 10:30 in the morning local time all seems well with this flight. at 10:31 the plane starts to descend without authorization. controllers reach out but get no answer from the cockpit. at 10:35 the plane is at 6500 feet and then it simply disappears from the radar. 10:53 the plane apparently crashes. now, peter, the crucial time is between 10:30 and 10:31. why? >> well you know you need to know what the last moments were like. what were the flight crew doing? hopefully the voice recorder which is really profoundly damaged, they will be able to extract the voices from the chips in the recorder. it may take some time but they'll get that data. we need to know what the pilots were doing, what they were saying if they were communicating. if we don't

koleen pettit and peter goelz, and what is your assess there of what he said to tom foreman?tle difference there of locked position. it is a control switch that is sencentered position, and you are telling it to lock and then re returns back. so it is always in the center position and spring action so it is pushed down to have a lock so it is not bumped lock and then you have to push it off of unlock so it is a fail-safe mechanism. >> okay. i want to dig into this, and talk to karlene about something, because it says that a senior person who heard the tape said that he described it as a calm conversation between the pilots between barcelona and dusseldorf and then one of the pilots left, and could not re-enter re-enter. he is knocking lightly outside, and cannot enter. he then knocks louder and there is never an answer and then you can hear him trying to snash the door down. and i understand that you have been speaking to one of your colleagues cko lshgslene that there is not a two-person cockpit rule? >> right. there is one of my colleagues said that i have never heard that

joining us right now, once again, our aviation analyst, former ntsb managing director peter goelz, ourshine aviation consultant former airline pilot. also the aviation journalist clive irving contributor to the daily beast. peter, how common or uncommon is it for a pilot to be deemed unfit to fly or to work? >> well you mean -- are you asking where he declares himself unfit or -- >> no a doctor declares him unfit to work. >> it is not all that common. the question is if a doctor did that was he under obligation to tell anyone else or was this simply a diagnosis or a decision given to the patient and the patient was under the obligation to bring it to his employer. >> let me ask alistair. are the pilots themselves required to report that the doctor says you're unfit to work? are they required to say if they are taking any medication specifically and should the doctors be required to alert the employers, the airline companies, you know what you have a pilot who's got some serious issues? >> well, of course they have to report it. i have in fact been in that position myself. you immediate

let's bring in our panel of experts, our aviation analyst and former ntsb managing director peter goelzand david soucie -- getting the first images of the crash scene, we see a lot of small pieces of the plane. what does that say? >> it hit the ground at a very high rate of speed. when you see fragmentation like that, that means the plane went straight in. that's going to make it extremely difficult for the investigators. they're into the going to get a whole lot out of the wreckage. and more importantly, it's going to make it very difficult to identify the victims. >> david soucie, it looks like from these images it suggests that the plane broke apart upon crashing into that mountain as opposed to breaking apart in the air right? >> it did. there appears to be be one and possibly two scatter points at which it hit the ground at one point and then another just ahead of that. but my primary concern at this point in this accident investigation would be be the safety of the inspectors and the on-site investigators. the last thing you want to do is add to the victim list by having somebody

let's bring in richard quest, peter goelz, tom fuentes, david soucie.rector of airlineratingings.com is joining us as well. the u.s. has a two-person rule in the cockpit when one pilot goes for example, wants to go to the bathroom a flight attendant goes in so there's not just one person there. is it possible to require that across the aviation -- the entire worldwide aviation industry? >> look absolutely. i think that the rest of the aviation community across the globe is going to follow the u.s. example on this and certainly this germanwings disaster has shaken the industry. and i think every authority across the world will be taking a good hard look at their procedures. because the public confidence has to be -- the public has to be assured that the pilots are flying the plane, there's two people there so something like this can't happen again. >> peter, explain how it's possible that this particular case a co-pilot can lock the pilot out of the cockpit. >> well inside the cockpit there's a three position button. in the up position the cockpit door i

. >> peter goelz is a former managing director of the ntsb. >> we don't know whether this was done voluntarily, whether it was done under duress. we simply have no idea. >> no idea what really happened, but goelz sees a red flag. >> it was completely out of the ordinary that there was no distress call. that the turn takes place and there's absolute silence, it means that somebody on that plane redirected it to a new course heading and they were not telling anyone. >> not telling anyone and never checking in with vietnam air traffic control. >> the fact that the westerly turn happens at the point of handover between malaysia and vietnam, for many is the strongest evidence that something nefarious was going on. >> you've investigated many incidents. is that coincidence that everything seems to go wrong at this particular, critical moment? >> it can't be coincidence. i don't believe in coincidence with my accidents. it just seems to me that there was something. now, it doesn't mean that it was nefarious, it doesn't mean anything else, but remember there's a lot of systems doing a lot of things at

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. >> peter goelz is a former managing director of the ntsb. >> we don't know whether this was done voluntarily, whether it was done under duress. we simply have no idea. >> no idea what really happened, but goelz sees a red flag. >> it was completely out of the ordinary that there was no distress call. that the turn takes place and there's absolute silence, it means that somebody on that plane redirected it to a new course heading and they were not telling anyone. >> not telling anyone and never checking in with vietnam air traffic control. >> the fact that the westerly turn happens at the point of handover between malaysia and vietnam, for many is the strongest evidence that something nefarious was going on. >> you've investigated many incidents. is that coincidence that everything seems to go wrong at this particular, critical moment? >> it can't be coincidence. i don't believe in coincidence with my accidents. it just seems to me that there was something. now, it doesn't mean that it was nefarious, it doesn't mean anything else, but remember there's a lot of systems doing a lot of things at

les abend and peter goelz, stay with us, we'll continue the conversation throughout the hour. thank you so much. >>> we still have lots of questions as i'm sure you have about this crash. send them to us on twitter. it's @cnn, use the hash tag germanwings qs. the fbi has asked to assist in the investigation. we'll explore what that entails with cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. later we'll go live to switzerland for new developments with nuke talks with iran. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle see how much you could save. just about anywhere you use sugar, you can use splenda®... ...no calorie sweetener. splenda® lets you experience... ...the joy of sugar... ...without all the calories. think sugar, say splenda® you know your dentures can move, unlike natural teeth. try fixodent plus true feel. the smooth formula helps keep dentures in place. it's free of flavors and colorants, for a closer feeling to natural teeth. fixodent. and forget it. >>> i want torg go to some live pictures. this is a small village in france where mourners have gath

peter goelz is with me here in washington the former director of the national transportation safety boardd ntsb, other u.s. experts this helping the french try to determine what's included on those two black boxes? >> it depends ow damaged they are and whether the u.s. has any particular expertise. but the french are fully capable. they have a very advanced laboratory there, the germans have one as well. i think the french will keep this close to home and they will be fully capable of downloading. >> i know the airbus is a european consortium. the jets i believe, rolls royce jet, maybe boeing jets. what about the black boxes, who manufactures those? >> those are manufactured in the u.s. >> you would think they would want the best u.s. minds to help them in a complicated situation like this. >> right. and the u.s. has offered that. they've offered their expertise. if the french take it i wouldn't be surprised. but we have a good working relationship between the big four or five investigative agencies. they share information, they share expertise. they do cross-training. so it's a good work

cnn aviation analyst and former managing director of the ntsb peter goelz and cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien. david, let me start with you. it was stunning in some ways that some airlines around the world did not have a two-person in the cockpit rule. that's the way it is in the united states. that is not the way it's been in other parts of the world, including across europe. but what's so interesting is over the last 24 hours, we have seen one airline after another after another start adopting this rule. in this world with so much bureaucracy this is historic. >> it's very historic and it's something that we as safety investigators and safety oversight agents we have been really after hoping to see this that the airlines wouldn't wait for the faa to come out with a regulatory mandate to get this stuff done. so this is what we have been waiting for and it's really indicative and i'm really proud to be part of this industry right now, because for them to do this understand this is not something that's mandated or regulated. it's something they realize needs to be done and they have st

karlene petitt, peter goelz, thank you so much. >>> it's a touchy subject, it's difficult. by and large we're not looking at every pilot having this kind of a situation. this is clearly an extreme situation, not the vast majority of the pilots that are in the cockpits right now. >> you want to keep it from happening again. >>> ahead for us at this hour, some people are calling it a license to discriminate, but the governor of indiana claims his state's new religious freedom law is misunderstood. there's been a huge backlash and now new attempts to clarify this law just within the last few hours. will this only add fuel to that fire? . in my world, wall isn't a street. return on investment isn't the only return i'm looking forward to. for some, every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college. our commitment to current and former military members and their families is without equal. start investing with as little as fifty dollars. petite. okay, listen up

joining us richard quest, peter goelz, tom fuentes and david soucie. recorder and it's usable but they don't have this the flight data recorder how difficult will it be to figure out what happened? >> they will get a picture but it won't be a complete one. it will be challenging to put together the entire accident sequence because the data recorder is really the key document produces the key information. it monitors thousand it was parameters. they've got to find it. >> richard, is it possible that the inside of that flight data recorder -- we heard the president say the shell, whatever that means, was found but the recorder itself the material inside has not been found. is it possible it could be completely destroyed? >> it's possible. but it's perhaps unlikely. the bea person we heard from earlier was very confident that not only would it be found but that the nature of its construction -- it's built to withstand exactly the sort of pressure and forces that this went through. a plane crashing 500 miles an hour into a mountain. this is exactly what it

peter goelz, jonathan gilliam, mary ellen, les, thanks to all of you. also still ahead, a memorial service brings families close to the site of that tragic crash. and later we will be answering questions you have about the crash. you can submit them on twitter at #germanwingsqs@cnn. when you ache and haven't slept... you're not you. tylenol® pm relieves pain and helps you fall fast asleep and stay asleep. we give you a better night. you're a better you all day. tylenol®. across america, people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes... ...with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza. he said victoza works differently than pills and comes in a pen. victoza is proven to lower blood sugar and a1c. it's taken once a day, any time. and the needle is thin. victoza is not for weight loss but it may help you lose some weight. victoza is an injectable prescription medicine that may improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exerc

let's turn to peter goelz. he's former ntsb managing director.at to have you with us to help us understand the developments that just came out. the german prosecutor has just announced some of the findings of going to this co-pilot's home. they found evidence david, let me start with you, to show evidence that he did have some sort of medical condition though they are vague on what it is. they also found chillingly a torn up note a doctor's note that would have given him permission to take a couple of days off including the day of the plane crash. what are your thoughts? >> well we have to be careful of tying this to some kind of psychological treatment because we don't know that. in fact this medical examiner who's looking at the pilots he's not really the psychologist or the psychiatrist that would be treating this. so we have to be cautious about that. the fact that the certificate is noted. if you have eyeglasses that's a medical condition that's being treated. >> it can be something benign? >> except we have to look at the doctor's note. the