peter gray, a psychology project -- professor, and in advocate who broke the forward to my book, they discovered that most of those an schoolers did time, in high school, taking community college classes. often, getting an associates degree at the same age that their peers got a high school diploma. and then, being able to roll in a four year university, transferring those credits, and saving a lot of money. it's a very practical approach, particularly now, was skyrocketing to wish and rates universities. >> it seems that the home school, and the unschooled movement have grown, exponentially, in the last 20 years. is that saying something about public education? >> homeschooling has grown tremendously over the past couple of decades. the first year the u.s. department of education began tracking homeschoolers 1998. at the time, they counted 150,000. that number soared to around 2 million, in 2016. and then, over the past year, when the school shutdowns since the pandemic began in march 2020, we have seen a tripling of the home schooling, right from that pre-pandemic level. so that the