peter jouvenal, the camera person, who actually is a former british army officer. he's spent more time in afghanistan as a journalist than anybody else. he's the sort of person who really you know, peter's line is, you know, 'any fool can get into a difficult situation. it's, like, getting out of it that is the complicated part.' you know, some -- and i'd been -- peter arnett and peter jouvenal, the cameraman, and i had been to afghanistan before. and they were exactly the right people in case something you know, arnett obviously has, you know, been in many war situations. and they were the right people to have around if anything did go wrong. and with one of the things that went wrong almost immediately was that the week before we went to see bin laden, the taliban banned the photography of any kind of person. so we were sort of in a quandary about whether to -- whether to go to the country illegally and be thrown out because we didn't have visas or, you know, if you apply for a visa, they're going to ask you, 'what are you doing?' and, you know, so in the end, we