. >> i have to clarify one thing, i share your view of peter, about not labeling people as hopeless, immoral, etc., but i see a huge difference between the welfare reform debates in the '90s, for example, which is about a sensitive issue and what happened last year with a man who began his rise doing the most cynical possible things and everything about that campaign screamed dishonesty and lack of belief in the notion that all people are created equal. everything about screamed that. the party allowed itself to be enthralled with this man. something radical changed with republican party. >> yes, on that point my guesses of everyone up here i have probably written that more publicly than anyone so i wouldn't disagree with you on the point about trump and i felt like the republicans who voted for him and the americans who voted for him, it was not as if this was a state secret. people, i think, knew what they were voting for. that's a very different category than a debate about health care or the tax bill and i can name it-- i don't think it into a debate, but if he went to the americ