peter lilley, you would prefer canada plus plus to canada plus?t is in our interest, it is in europe's interest. i don't think we will get maximum, optimum, because the european union has made it clear they want us to appear at least to be worse off than we are at present. i find it difficult because actually are exporters have got a 15% advantage because of the exchange rate. they will have to pay 4% tariff if there is no deal at all. 15% outweighs 4% for most. you would prefer canada to nothing, but you would prefer canada plus. but you don't think they will give it to us. the british government position is they will give it to us. maybe they know something i don't know. i merely listen to the european union and take the at their word. we should be prepared for the probability that they want get nearly as much as they are seeking, and that quite possibly will end up trading on wto terms, which is a good second best. chuka umunna, how much of a disaster, do you think, canada would be? if we went something straight —— if you went straight to somet