which we are still housed in and they still support us, andrew windham suggested to ed ayres and peter otis that it would be fun to do a radio show on history and apparently peter responded saying two things. number 1, we don't know enough history, we need somebody in the 20th century. and number 2 we are not very funny so nobody is going to be interested in the show. but andrew prevailed on ed and peter otis. they came to me. i said that is a ridiculous idea. nobody is going to be interested in this and we spent about a year and a half doing one demo. which was truly horrible. if it doesn't exist it is because we have all made separate attempts to burn this demo. we circulated that to 10 or so directors of public radio stations. our notion was eventually we hit the big time we would be on wanted to public radio stations. and originally the show was a call in show. we took calls from people and we discussed the specific topics that went across three centuries. we were undeniably three dead white males. we really took pride in owning our own century. one of our most frequent tropes was my ce