when peter parker goes away. had to pick him up and put him on my lap because he was convulsing in tears. >> jimmy: wow. >> then in endgame when peter parker came back, he's like, yes! i knew tchld i knew it! like blang r black panther's he's fine. but peter parker. >> jimmy: and martin scorsese says those movies don't mean anything. >> they mean a lot. >> jimmy: when you're out in public trick or treating with your children or whatever, do people recognize you more from "this is us" or the o.j. miniseries? >> you know, it's interesting. sometimes i fool myself into thinking i'm still kind of incon-negro. [ laughter ] i can walk through life without anybody noticing anything. and then quickly i'm reminded like oh, no, people know who you are. right? so if you happen to be in west hollywood or beverly hills at some sort of upscale eatery that's usually going to be like the o.j. fans and whatnot. although they're all over. "this is us" can be at the vons. you're at the cvs like getting something. and people just wa

ashley o parker, pulitzer prize winning reporter for "the washington post." and peter braaker, co-author of the new book "impeachment, an american history." barbara, i've got to start with you. how big, how consequential or not is tonight's court ruling? >> the ruling with regard to the mcgahn testimony, i think, is very significant. it doesn't reallys come as a surprise, but it's a very important step because what's i says isrt that witnesses cannot hide behind this c concept of absolute immunity. the judge says it doesn't exist, and these witnesses do have to testify, including don mcgahn. now, as a practical matter, the department of justice says it willde appeal this decision, so think they have the ability to sort of run out the clock on this opinion with regard to mpicgahn. but it could be used to empower other witnesses to testify in the impeachment proceeding. the house committee can wave it around. it may not be binding on any other witness, but it's certainly persuasive authority that suggests they do have to testify when thcalled. >> ashley parker, let's tal

ashley parker, white house reporter for "the washington post," and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" and co-author of the new book "impeachment and american history." welcome to you all. counselor, barbara, i have to begin with you, how big or consequential or not is tonight's court ruling? >> the ruling with regard to the mcgann testimony, i think, is very significant. it isn't really come as a surprise. but it's a very important step. the judge says it doesn't exist and the witness dozen have to testify including don mcgann. the department of justice says they'll appeal the decision. i think this he have the ability to run out the clock on this opinion with regard to mcgann. but it could be used to empower other witnesses to testify. it suggests they have to testify when called. >> ashley parker, let's talk about rudy giuliani. we heard the president about his good friend and great crime fighter from this very city. has his change -- as there been a change in rudy's standing that you've been able to detect on the inside? >> the distancing begun a little whi