if you were offered the job to work for peter rodino, would you take it? i said yes.all from peter rodino, he come down to -- come down to washington and give the interview. i went down. i was interviewed. we got along. he seemed to like me. at the end of the interview, he said there's one other thing. i have some speeches to write. i understand you can write. i understand you could, and i want to know if you'd be willing to help me draft speeches. i said forget about .

. >> now, you served in that position as counsel to peter rodino and the committee for how long? >> well, i was probably from the 30th of december, 1st of january, 2000 -- no, 19 -- >> '73? >> 1973 and then for the 8 or 9 months in '74. >> and the conclusion of that committee, the three articles that were passed by the committee, when you read about your role in that, some say that you were the one that convinced some of the republicans to come over and vote with the democrats against president nixon. >> well, i don't think that's -- i don't think that's accurate. i think that the ways of the evidence as it was presented by the lawyers that worked for me persuaded the republicans, persuaded all the committee members that voted yes on the impeachment articles to vote yes. we set for ourselves a standard when we started to conduct the investigation. that standard was that we weren't going to be satisfied unless we got a two-thirds vote. peter rodino did not want to just get a bare majority with democrats voting one way and republicans the other. we wanted to persuade two-thirds of

c-span: in this photograph, we are looking at peter rodino, who was the chairman of the committee, and david dennis, who was from--now deceased--from indiana. on the other side is a face--she's no longer alive--but... >> guest: barbara jordan, who--who--who when she spoke, it was like god himself was speaking. she had a powerful voice, and what she said had great content and she did not waste her words. she... c-span: and jerome waldie, behind her on the right, there with the glasses, and then paul sarbanes again. >> guest: right. another individual that--that--that had figured, even up to today, so that this picture is one of my favorite photographs, and--and it was published in life magazine when they were doing a story on what happened during the impeachment of the president. c-span: if you had a choice, would you rather shoot black and white or color? >> guest: they're both important. i--black and white has archive value--that's the beauty of it. you know when you're shooting black and white that anything that you photograph is going to last long after you're around. when you shoot