peter some berg, former chairman of the national labor relations board.at to have you both on the show. catherine, let me start with you. we have a parade of people who own businesses, who own franchise, who own larger businesses on and have asked them if you had to pay your workers 15 bucks an hour, they have said resoundingly they would be forced to cut their hours, to fire people. it wouldn't result in more take home money. how do you respond to that? >> you know the most profitable fast-food corporations in our economy actually do pay higher wages to their employees. not just to americans. in other countries there they are already paying 12, $15 an hour. our workers deserve to work with the same level of dignity as a worker in france or australia. melissa: peter what do you think about that. >> most of the workers in american fast-food, these are entry level jobs, primarily to a large extent, they're summer jobs. they're part-time jobs. they're second jobs in a very, in an industry where the profit is very low. let me give you an example. if operator