joining me peter suderman.k suderman computer man the world's foremost immigration expert at it let's talk a little bit about the relationship between entitlement in immigration because it seems like some of the blue states big government democrats in california and new york think that this is a great time to offer more incentives to a situation that is horribly complex and chaotic. >> let's talk about what's happening new york. mayor de blasio is pulling a classic de blasio move if there is such a thing. he's announcing a big new deal. it's not. the city has spent a million dollars make it possible for anyone whether an undocumented immigrant or a citizen to go to a hospital and get care for free. what he is doing is spending another $100 million relatively small amount of the scheme of things in order to try to convince half a million people not to go to the emergency room but to go to clinics instead. this is an effort to save the city's public hospital system which is overburdened with too many people comin

townhall.com where she serves as editor, katie pavlich is here, along with reason.com managing editor peter sudermand cliff maloney back in new york city. welcome, everyone. >> hello. kennedy: whoo! so this is really interesting. what have we learned from the shutdown so far? >> well, in terms of the airports, which you just talked about, not a lot. like an hour waiting at the airport is pretty typical day at the airport. and to be quite honest, tsa, maybe this will give them the overhaul they need, because based on inspector general's reports, they miss if 95% of bombs -- kennedy: that was long before -- >> and if you look at the details of what the tsa at the airport in atlanta have said, they say this has nothing to do with the shutdown, people are calling out sick at the normal rate they normally do except for politically people are trying to use that as an example of why the government cannot function without congress funding it. so there is a problem, i would say in the next week and a half if people don't get a second paycheck. kennedy: yes. >> it's one thing to miss the first one. when you g