hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle what explains the bipartisan commitment to an ending wars in foreign military interventions recent polls show the majority of veterans in this century's foreign wars say it wasn't worth it in 2016 trying to gain traction for doubting foreign adventures today gabbert is doing the same why are the elite out of touch. cross talking and ending wars i'm joined by my guest daniel shaw in new york he is a professor of latin american and caribbean studies at city university of new york and but that is that we have peter because nick he is a professor of history and director of the nuclear studies institute at american university as well as co-author with all of her stone of the untold history of the united states and in washington we cross to camp he is the host and head writer of the comedy new show redacted tonight on our t.v. america all right so i mean crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate let's go to bethesda peter i think that all of us would agree and our audienc

we have all the experts, and with all the enthusiasm of peter summerville and peter, the other peter, i see you guys are working -- i mean, all this stuff that we are getting from you all the time is less we convene. less we convene, we interact more with the board of supervisors and everybody in the region. why don't we convene and brainstorm how we can maximize all these great developments and everything that we've talked about here in order to have the maximum vision that the late mayor lee and including the new one, mayor london breed, can do this? so that's why we're all excited about this development here is because when it is done, it will make people want to spend time on treasure island and yerba buena island that they do in san francisco or sausalito or anywhere in north america. so keep us posted. and we'll work with you to do whatever he need. let me ask public comment, please, on this wonderful presentation. do you have any ideas you want to relate to us? okay. none for now. that's fantastic. thank you all for your wonderful work on this important project. kate, the next

of latin american and caribbean studies at city university of new york and but that is that we have peter because nick he is a professor of history and director of the nuclear studies institute at american university as well as co-author with all of her stone of the untold history of the united states and in washington we cross to camp he is the host and head writer of the comedy new show redacted tonight on our t.v. america all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate let's go to protest to peter i think that all of us would agree and our audience that it's unlikely that we would ever compared to donald trump ok they're very very different but they do have one commonality and it's an attitude towards foreign adventures now donald trump has not been able to do much about his rhetoric of the campaign while he's been in office but it keeps going both of them are slammed every time they go outside the the borders or the perimeters of the bipartisan commitment to these wars why is that why do they get slammed down so hard so fas

making their own decisions on their own peter. it's like fahrenheit $451.00 you know people have their television walls while the planes are flying off to distant mortars and nobody is paying attention and that's you know donald trump sucks all the out of the room he wants everything to be focused on him and the media does it does it. and it's going in some ways it's important because he is dangerous and we do need to get him out of office as quickly as possible but the other issues that are so important is that any discussion of the fact that we've got more than $800.00 overseas military bases is there any discussion of the fact that u.s. special forces operated proximately $143.00 countries last year is there any discussion of our arms sales and how dangerous they are around the world the fact that the u.s. is bombing 7 countries right now. then the real issues about what's going on are not the discussed and you know we're all very frustrated with the media you get on mainstream media in the united states if you've got a clear i

peter has animosity toward roberto. peter has made threats to roberto.tion. >> reporter: linda parisi paul moore's attorney presented in court a mirror image of the state's case acknowledging that one cousin was out to frame the other, only in her version of the story paul was the stooge and peter the mastermind. >> peter is the one who has indicated, i've been in landscaping for 20 years. i'm tired. i'm broken down. i want to be in the farming operation. what better way to take out roberto and to take out paul? >> to counter that argument the prosecution was forced to call pete as a witness, knowing that would make him a punching bag for parisi. >> she told me, you're a murderer aren't you, mr. moore? i said those are your words not mine. >> she thought she could, by grilling peter, uncover the evil, the monster. >> reporter: assistant attorney general david drewliner was there during the trial. >> i was completely satisfied there was no monster to uncover so i, for the most part, let her go at him. >> reporter: a courtroom tactic not appreciated by pet

and they don't want to follow up on it this is the age of the gag order go ahead in athens you know peter i mean what you're seeing here is the mainstream media in collusion with social media in collusion with the intelligence agencies the deep state who are also working with the democrats in this impeachment inquiry hoax which is a whole another ridiculous matter enough itself but what you have right now peter i mean we when you look at these 2 stories which both broke around the same time on the one hand you have this person who has what i would describe as a malicious cia gossip blower there's no way he's a whistleblower that's that's without a doubt there is a water cooler food exactly exactly what you have here but you're not allowed to say this person's name even though his name was mentioned i believe it was april 25th peter by dad by gino that was the 1st person actually mentioned this guy's name it's i love that they say it is name is in the report yeah there you go but you're not allowed to say his name no media channels allowed to say his name no one on social media is allowed

hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle big tech and the political left tonight the age of the gag order is underway and is boris johnson set to win and win big in the general election briggs it would seem has changed everything. across i think some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow dmitri bob which is a political analyst and editor at internet media project and in athens we're joined by alex which of or oh he's the editor and writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen cross-like rules in effect that means you can jump at any time you want and i always appreciate let me go to. first i'm titling this program a gag order and i know you know what i'm talking about 1st let's we have this whistleblower which anyone that has any interest in this ridiculous did a dismal story knows who we're talking about ok it's been in media outlets for quite a few quite a few days at least 10 maybe 2 weeks now and now facebook and google and you tube they're scrubbing everything that's number one number 2 the epstein story is back in the news a young

peter: that's right. economic environment you've itcribed is not one in which will move very far. perhaps we could see more cost-cutting, but that is a slow going process. i don't think that is going to happen. so i think we struggle to maintain the pace of the moment and we have seen is late -- we have seen of late. we've seen less pessimistic commentary from a lot of ceos, and a lot of them seem to be at least making the case that some of the worst case scenarios we have been back in the summer and spring in the u.s., that that is not going to materialize. what is being forecast now by corporate linetives is relatively in with what economists see is the outlook for the economy? peter: as you said, they are beginning to price out the worst case scenarios. they are shifting a bit further out than they were. but just because the worst case doesn't happen doesn't mean that bad things can happen. so i think we are going to remain cautious. also, is there any good news to factor in? that's the real question.

peter: this could easily be q1. guy: that soon? peter: absolutely.f we are going to continue to make progress towards fiscal policy, if that is a likely outcome and yields go higher, that would be the point when we see that the risky asset classes crack. they cannot withstand it. it would be similar to the reaction there was in the u.s. market late last year. rates were going higher. the credit complex cracked. the equity complex cracked. rates went a lot lower in reaction. vonnie: what is your riskiest call right now? what is the one that makes you a little worried? peter: of all of the calls, i guess the one that is going to be perceived as being risky is the one that goes against these things i have been talking about. curves are steepening. i don't think that will be sustained. i think the blue and yields will end the year will lower. i think they have the possibility to end only down at the -70 level. markets have to be forward-looking and be prepared for some potential disappointment in fiscal policy. whichgh in some tariffs, i think we will se

peter: no.e: one trader when trump is calling for negative interest rates, he is devaluing the currency. the dollar is showing heights. up have the currency going at some point, that will change. that is bad for the dollar. it is another way of introducing protectionism. that economy is relatively strong. anna: he will not get the negative it just rates he wants. what will the fed do next? peter: who cares? you said it is explainable by the cash washed into the system by the fed. peter: 1% yield. you get a mortgage, 99% of it is capital payment. he just rates are not going to change the bond yield curve. it is almost irrelevant, that will not change because trump and powell, or powell cuts when you are already at 1%. it will not change the dynamic of spending. a trillion dollars of fiscal spending, i thought it was a strong economy. anna: do you think we will see much more fiscal spending? qe for 10 years, anna: where will they spend this money? peter: if you think about it logically, we will be

so we shall see s peter: ectly. they're going to go visit the president, who was booed when he visited game five. robert: i would see jake at r.k. by himself in 2006nd 2007 ke: i felt some nights i was the only person watching these broadcts of a lowly team. it's been azing t see. robe: great. i'll be at the parade tomorrow. i'mi' robert costa. thanks for joining us and goodod night. ♪ announcer: corporace funding for "washington week" is proved by -- additional funding is proved by -koo and patricia yuen , through the yuen foundation, bdging cultural differences is iur communities. the corporatili for p broadcasting and by contributions to your pbsro station viewers like you. thank you. >> you'r welcome to sunny somerset. we're putting the final touches to our summer party with all the classic ingredients you'd need for such a thg -- balloons, bunting, bandstands, bickering relatives, t and three of the finateur bakers in the land. last time, it was french week. [kissing] and the semi-finalists tackled three gallic

this is a company owned by disney peter and they're protecting this man because he is connected to the clintons because the person that hosts their morning show used to work for the couldn't and went to parties with this man. and because epstein assisted his carpet art his lane was at the wedding of the clintons and this was in 2016 right before the election cycle and hillary clinton did not want this out a deal or alex just mentioned facts here a lot of facts a noble facts if you have any interest whatsoever but c.b.s. and a.b.c. refuse to admit these are facts here i mean this is one of the reasons why people among many reasons why people are losing faith in the mainstream media because it's not really it's really a sin of omission the the don't mention what really is the news will do is give you a good feeling virtual signaling when they won't give you the news well also or they have a very short memory and literature of what was the main narrative of syria in the last 2 months all crump is betraying the kurds you know they never mentioned a bomb you know he was the 1st to get invol

not allowed to say this person's name even though his name was mentioned i believe it was april 25th peter by dad by gino that was the 1st person actually mentioned this guy's name it's all of the kids name is name isn't the report yeah there you go but you're not allowed to say his name no media channels allowed to say his name no one on social media is allowed ses name if you see his name peter other social media post on facebook or on youtube as we have our chat on then your video gets taken down you get warnings for youtube your posts facebook's facebook get scrubbed you can even place his name incumbent alex alex here to put in comments but even under the whistleblower law as it stands now it is not part of the statute that he will maine's anonymous that's not part of the statute whatsoever ok it's the inspector general that can make that determination so we have here let me turn to demon right now we have these social media companies now determining what freedom of speech is they're determining at least in american terms what the 1st amendment allows and doesn't allow that's not thei

peter: you refer to it as a utility.tility like as a plumbing and electricity and streets and things like that? rep. clarke: it is something we use, but it is more of an infrastructure. -- i think we look at communities that are already wired, broadband has been deployed, ways in which we can ask my's on that infrastructure -- we can maximize on that infrastructure to build our citizenry. when we talk about the smart cities caucus, i always say it is for our communities. this can be applied in urban and rural areas, given we have the appropriate infrastructure. build out peter: do you see congress having a role when it comes to funding smart cities? rep. clarke: i think we do. i think we can incentivize our partnerships with the private sector, many of which already have a lot of that infrastructure build out in different parts of the country. but there are gaps. in order for us to be fully integrated and fully utilizing and maximizing technology in all of its permutations, it is important that we partner and incentivize

peter: do we see defaults? pretty clear we get some kind of restructuring event later in the year. i would love to see negotiations go there with the new government. regarding the peso itself, it is hard to make a reasonably constructive case even what inflation is doing in argentina. you are looking at a currency which is going to continue probably losing purchasing power over the longer-term. there's definitely no big reason to buy the peso in any great numbers at this stage. my view basically is i definitely wouldn't be advising my customers to go buy the peso anytime soon. vonnie: what emerging-market currencies are you favoring these days? peter: one i like a lot is the russian ruble at the moment. you got decent real interest rates, a central bank slowly cutting interest rates, but still giving a very nice real interest rate spread. in a world where you've got very low yields, anything of a real interest rate between 2% and 3%, investors are going to jump all over that. you have a huge current account sur

peter brastaugh. last week, i did kind of my full whirlwind presentation to the board, so it's nice to dig in a little deeper. i think peter wanted me to cover just a few more things and highlight all of this work the way that this work on treasure island, yerba buena fits in in the context of the resolution that we passed last year. so peter has been coming pretty much religionly to our interagency working group meetings around biodiversity for several years. he's been a trafferrific collaborator at the city level and talk about all of the work that we're doing citywide. and he did highlight one of the things that we're working on in the biodiversity agency working group, one of the things that we highlighted in our presentation -- was it last week? yeah, last week -- or two weeks ago was the supply of our native local plants. so let's bring yerba buena down to treasure island. so if we do that, we've got to figure out how we're going to create that supply. so we're going to focus on that problem and

hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle with ukraine remaining in the headlines we have a look how russia's foreign policy is change since the 2014 coup in camp and the impeachment circus continues but it's anything but funny. talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor it interests me internet media project and in london we crossed alexander macarius he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to alex 1st in london well ukraine remains in the headlines and the 2nd half of the program we'll talk about the impeachment circus but let's focus on how ukraine the ukraine the ukraine project that the west has had since the coup in 2014 is changed russia's foreign policy and it's something that's beginning to worry people being sent to and i mean worrying people at the neo cons in washington in the in the swamp we could talk ab

peter: going forward, it might not.ut i think people always chase what's been working, and this is the overall market sentiment. i think it will turn out fairly poorly this time. gina: it really depends on your longer-term outlook for inflation. if we get inflation spike into next year, depending upon where that comes from, obviously that treasury portion of your portfolio is going to not only act as a hedge, but act is downside relative to your equity upside. i think most people are suggesting we are probably going to get reinvigorated growth, maybe a little improvement in the growth outlook, but no massive inflation. if it is goldilocks, that works. if not, you probably have a little bit of problem. vincent: i don't know that you will see inflation. it's really not there because we don't have the wages, but we are likely to see no tax cut next year. that will perhaps see this yield curve steepen once again. as to peter's point, this probably was a good trade for 2019. most likely not the best trade for 2020. so that h

you know we've got a paper trail now peter we always say follow the money we have documents now that show that money was being poured into ukraine the money was going back out only to american politicians i imagine e.u. politicians as well everyone is making money on the back of all this i.m.f. u.s. e.u. aid going into ukraine that is a fact now we've got documents we've got the paper trail of this money being funneled back out into the u.s. from ukraine and back out into the u.s. this is documented now peter this is what was going on in ukraine why did obama decide to go through with this coup god only knows why it has opened up a huge pandora's box of corruption misinformation lies deceit all of it and not to mention a war in the east which has killed many many lives is a tragic tragic foreign policy mistake by obama no one talks about the cool no when they talk about javelin missile pillows you know it's all the no mentions the coup they only go back to 2016 as if you crane came in existence in 2016 they never want to go back 2 years before when this mess started which was complet

we are back with peter schaffrik . peter, do you trust the polls? peter: yes and no.here is a wide split. the question to ask is even if have this gap, will it translate into an equally large majority and that is very much in dispute, but i think we should all work on the assumption there will be a fairly sizable majority. francine: it is the market, you need to know if you trust the polls. what does the market look like under jeremy corbyn. peter: i can tell you everyone i speak to on the investor side is reasonably afraid of such an outcome. a littletill caution bit, if you look at the current polls, and let's assume we trust them for a second, it is very the toriesat even if do not have a majority, the labour party alone will not have a majority, either. they need support from the smaller parties and that probably also means the more controversial policies won't see the light of day, but that is a different question. the market is very happy with this poll. francine: we look at whether we can afford measures offered in the deficit. peter schaffrik from rbc capital

on now let's bring in peter craven who's with me here in the studio peter hello to you there's been a lot of speeches today from different political leaders we heard from uncle americal earlier we heard from the german president or what was the central message from political leaders today i think the central message is very much that this was a peaceful revolution that there was no bloodshed and that has been echoed by all the political leaders and people here in germany are indeed rightfully proud of this fact it could of course have been so very different tournaments square in china just a few couple of months earlier and there was at least one prominent east german communist leader who actually applauded what took place there the robust approach of the chinese authorities so that kind of thing was avoided here in germany and that's important because obviously germany had. got a very difficult history with the nazi period and then the east german communist period so a bloodless revolution revolution is something indeed to be proud of and it is a model for many people coming to berke

peter: that's right.ol: the longer you're in it to keep it going that's where capital expenditures usually typically come in toward the end. and give it that last kind of oomph. and i wonder if that's the case here? peter: this has been such a long cycle. in its 11th year now. that capital spending has had its own mini cycles within that. we've had our ups and downs. and if we get another up here, it could really be good news for keeping this thing going. jason: and staying with economic growth and consumer spending -- carol: we sat down with al kelly for another addition of "businessweek talk." >> despite all of this thought a recession coming we don't see it. our fourth quarter numbers which for us were september 30 numbers were better than the third quarter. the u.s. was up 8%. the international is up 12% excluding china. europe was up 13% when you exclude the u.k. which has done a little bit of self-inflicted wound. jason: what's wrong with everyone that we're talking so much about recession? >> it mi

monica or peter? >> go ahead, peter. i wish is going to comment on something that dan said. go ahead. >> what we have right now which is extraordinary powerful tool is social media. and social media shines a powerful light on companies that do the right thing and do the wrong thing. you do not want to be seen as a predator versus a partner. and so that's really the power of the consumer. and it affects the mood, the sense of value of employees in companies when they are criticized its an enormous important tool. and that tool needs to be deployed picky needs to be focused on who is financing and who is buying. and i think that if that were to happen, you will see, that's how transformation takes place. that's what happened with the mining industry. it was a clear demand by the public that this was behavior that could not be tolerated. .. european market says we will not by or soy or beef from territories. that will affect the behavior of the government of brazil. china has a policy of not experimenting with international countries. affecting american political actions as wel

time isn't on our side when we think of the climate change.hen monica, peter? ahead, peter. i was going to comment on something dan said.. go ahead. >>ommentnt what we have rightwh is anpowerful exthe recordraord tool is social media. it shines a light on the companies that do the right thing versus the wrong thing. you don't want to be seen as a predator versus a partner. that's the power of the consumer. itrsus a p p power affects the of value of employees and companies when they are -- when their companies are criticized. it is an enormously important tool. that tool needs to be deployed. it needs to be focused on who if financing and who is buying.ng d and i think that if that were t, happen, you will see a -- that's how transformation takes place. that's what happened with the mining industry. it was a clear demand by the public that this was behavior that could not be top tol raler. the private sector plays an enormously important role. if you look at the discussions between the minister of agriculture and the president in brazil, the minister of agriculture is extraor

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i first witnessed and tell the lie to peter thiel at his home in january of this year after peter hadim of having broken mitzvot -- having broken il through his grade. i heard from another investor he was telling the same lie. he told her he wanted to remind her he had waived all 2017 management fees so funds for investors did not pay management fees for that entire year. that is false. taylor: some of the issues broadly going on in the vc world valuations.e high the problem is a valuation is what any investor says it is because there's no public market for price discovery, so how do you go about proving that in court? >> reasonable minds can absolutely differ on what a reasonable valuation is for a private tech company, but when ajay, peter, and paul legate, who served on the board and was very in touch with the issue -- when all three of them agreed that the company is worth zero, it's probably worth zero? why did you name peter thiel in the suit? >> it's a great question. peter is not a partner or officer but a large investor and for a long time he and other investors were being li

i would never suggest peter lend -- i wouldself to never suggest peter lent himself to ajay's fraud.ree with the final action he did take, which was to choose to do nothing. when i brought these concerns to him, when he learned of the fraud that was ongoing, he chose not to act. he chose not to exercise his power that could have shut down the fraud, and he was the only person who had the power to shut down the fraud. that's why i went to the government. taylor: you were a general counsel, a lawyer by trade, so you know how these things work. what is your ideal outcome? is it a settlement? is it money? what do you want the outcome to be? guest: the most immediate outcome i'm looking for is for the government investigation to continue without further interference by mithril. beyond that, we will see. taylor: that was crystal mckellar. thank you so much for joining us. finally this hour, we get another look at disney, which is reporting earnings on thursday. the media giant beat on both the top and bottom line. this comes amid a lot of anticipation for disney streaming platform, which c

no, i don't. >> peter: he shrugs off her critique. >> i'm not focused on that. >> peter: joe biden isg to keep voters focused on him as president. >> we argue like the devil and occasionally holler at one another. he said, it's like having an older brother. >> peter: he is not moved by any of that. people close to bloomberg tell fox business he had an unofficial pact with biden where he said he wanted ron if biden looked strong enough to ru win e nomination. >> would he be better than donald trump? of course. should he be the nominee? no. there's no way in the world that we should nominate a billionaire who epitomizes the status quo. speak to the congresswoman from. >> people sometimes say that alexandria and i are an odd couple. [laughter] that she is so old and i am so young. [cheers and applause] >> peter: if anybody else wants to get on the ballot here in new hampshire, they've got until the end of this week to do it. that includes hillary clinton and a former massachusetts governor who "the new york times" reports this evening is rethinking a run, jamaal patrick. brecht. >> bret:

good evening, peter. >> peter: good evening, bret. we were out with candidates when they began performing in the democratic primary in january. but now, 11 months later, the former independent mayor of new york, who recently reregistered as a democrat has announced that he is preparing to announce that he plans to run as a democrat in the presidential primary. that is according to a "new york times" report this evening. at the end of last month, we asked democratic primary voters about bloomberg and just 6% of them said in a fox news poll that they would definitely vote for him if he ran. he is reportedly encouraged enough by numbers like that to send staffers down to alabama to start selecting signatures to qualify as a democrat. alabama's primary is not until super tuesday, but you've got to get on the ballot by friday, so that is where he is starting and his most recent window was last month, a report explained that he would re ron. he's got $52 billion of personal wealth to spend and he's got judge judy's endorsement. he's got a l

so it was all going off 30 years ago and the double political correspondent peter craven was here and while he was in west berlin 30 years ago witnessing history where were you that night i wasn't in west berlin i was in east berlin looking at it when it came to the crunch. oh i was with a group of people who i had sort of joined up with coming from the each therein lies a story that would have enough time for that and we were heading for the berlin wall to try to become among the 1st people to actually get up on the berlin wall at the brandenburg gate from the eastern side and one of the guys in this group that i'd sort of found myself among said charge and so we all started running towards the wall and there were border police with kalashnikovs in front of her on the breast as it were and we drew we challenged through their ranks and then climbed up onto the wall so you think this is indication of how dangerous it could get in there i mean how you already heard then that it's very it was open. in my instance with a couple of friends i come from the west where i write you so rightly

peter: exactly. if december 15 tariffs were implemented, we should think of the curves going all the way back down to where they were during the summer. about ecbso thinking rate policy. i think four basis point of cuts are priced in over the next 18 months. sounds completely wrong to us, but the catalyst would cause this. guy: we will hear from christine lagarde later this week. peter chatwell of mizuho international will stay with us. vonnie: let's check level markets. we have kailey leinz. kailey: we are still looking at a risk off day. s&p 500 off by 1/10 of 1%. the nasdaq down by 2/10, as are stocks in europe. seeing some by income into the defensive treasury market with 10 year yield down by three basis points. what is overhanging the market's pessimism on trade with reports beijing is not optimistic about the prospects of a trade deal with the u.s. if we look at a chart of s&p 500 futures, we can see the direct impact that had. we have seen some -- recovery on reports of trump meeting with pow

hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle 30 years ago the berlin wall fell the cold war had essentially come to an end the fall of the cold war symbol was heralded as a new spring of nations and the end of communism decades on what is the legacy of this historic event the promises of 1989 been fulfilled. crosstalk in the fall of the berlin wall i'm joined by my guest john laughlin in paris he is a political scientist and historian in washington we have harold james he's a professor of history and international affairs at princeton university as well as author and editor of a number of books including when the wall came down reactions to german unification and in cork we cross to geoffrey roberts he is emeritus professor of history at university college cork and a member of the royal irish academy all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it let me go to john and paris for 30 it's been 30 years now believe it or not because i remember it so vividly when it happened a few months